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The Pace 2.0
Nick Ienatsch has published an update to his seminal article from 20 years ago, "The Pace". The new article is in the August issue of Cycle World. In it he updates some of the concepts from the original article, and in most cases supports, clarifies, and amplifies those thoughts. In the new article he does talk quite a bit about what he's learned in that 20 year period, and much of it revolves around braking. I won't copy/paste the whole article here (google's your friend), but here's the snippet that deals with braking:
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August 7th, 2013, 01:05 PM | #2 |
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August 7th, 2013, 01:11 PM | #3 |
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Thanks for sharing. I loved the first article. Now to read the 2nd!
I try to convey this message about pace very often to fellow riders, especially on group rides. Just adds to my comment about the abundance of usefully riding technique being discussed lately.
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August 7th, 2013, 01:30 PM | #4 |
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Just read the article....I would really like to go to a class hosted by him. The mans words are gold.
I love how he used "points" to represent the grip of the tire. This is exactly it! The braking part is also very very good and is seriously misunderstood by most riders. Sometimes I find these "rear brake" threads just ridiculous.
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August 7th, 2013, 09:04 PM | #5 |
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Really like Nick Ienatsch's writing. I feel like his book and philosophy makes a lot more sense than Keith Code.
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August 7th, 2013, 09:19 PM | #6 |
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is there a rule like "the pace" but for race practice? it's probably something like "go faster or get out of my way"
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August 9th, 2013, 01:56 PM | #7 | |
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He's a better writer for sure. Not hard... Code has a rather convoluted and obtuse style that's hard to follow. I write for a living, and found myself making a SR cheat sheet just so I could get through TOTW 2 without having to flip back to the beginning every five minutes. That says a lot. I don't see it as one of these guys making more sense than the other. It's two distinctly different approaches to the same topic. Both have a lot to recommend them. Both have strong points. I like Code for his easy-to-remember-while-on-the-bike nuggets, like the first rule of throttle control. But I like Ienatsch for his philosophy and way of explaining things. Get both books and read 'em. You'll be glad you did.
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August 9th, 2013, 03:39 PM | #8 |
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I did and find both varying degrees of helpful but ultimately I find that Nick Ienatsch positions resonate with me more. I am, for example, a huge believer in being able to go to the brakes at any time when I ride.
To use Keith Code's vernacular, I believe that some of what he offers as "technology" are really just "tips". Better than doing things the wrong way but... |
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August 9th, 2013, 05:58 PM | #9 |
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Is the book you are referring to,
Sport Riding Techniques: How To Develop Real World Skills for Speed, Safety, and Confidence on the Street and... I was looking for another good mc book. Totw 2 had great information that has really transformed my riding. I will be perfecting his tips till I am too feeble to ride. Now I would like something informational with a little more recreational value |
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August 9th, 2013, 06:22 PM | #10 |
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Yup that's the book.
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August 9th, 2013, 07:07 PM | #11 | |
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I find his book much better related for track concepts. Total thread jack. Sir Douglas, there will be pm for you shortly. Concerning your choice of career. |
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August 9th, 2013, 10:50 PM | #12 |
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Best way I've heard the same general concept is to "Sneak up on fast". No reason to just go bombing down the straights and flailing into each corner right out the gate... If you pay specific attention to just going a bit faster in a section until it makes you fix the next section, you'll eventually work your improved speed around the track until you're WAAAAAY faster than when you started, but not all in one big jump.
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