Popo wants to take out Waze

[snot]

Ok, my uncle is an officer and I am very close to him. So, I hear some of the stories you might not...the ones not on the news...the good things they do.

Now, again I did say TRAFFIC OFFICER if you are speeding you are BREAKING THE LAW. So, if you are playing by the rules why does it matter where they are?
As for other officers, my neighbor (now gone) was/is a drug dealer. Every time someone reported them they heard it on a scanner (no app needed). This went on until they lost the house, ever live next to a dealer? With a little girl in your home, and they know when you are gone? Other than scanners, an app could also prevent the police from monitoring this kind of activity. If you are running from the law it can help you getaway too. My thought is, if you break the law you will likely be caught and deserve the penalties. I am NOT innocent either, I have had my share of tickets.
My brother is proactive and has a jammer on his car.

As for privacy... Not only are the medical bound, so is everyone....HIPAA. And... you can be sued if you talk about another persons medical or if what you say prevents them from obtaining employment. Check out defamation of character.

[LittleRedNinjette]

I was just questioning the logic of making it easier for the bad guys with that feature.

That is all.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

I was just questioning the logic of making it easier for the bad guys with that feature.

That is all. Sorry for feeling that way...

They still have to download it

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

Ok, my uncle is an officer and I am very close to him. So, I hear some of the stories you might not...the ones not on the news...the good things they do.

Now, again I did say TRAFFIC OFFICER if you are speeding you are BREAKING THE LAW. So, if you are playing by the rules why does it matter where they are?
As for other officers, my neighbor (now gone) was/is a drug dealer. Every time someone reported them they heard it on a scanner (no app needed). This went on until they lost the house, ever live next to a dealer? With a little girl in your home, and they know when you are gone? Other than scanners, an app could also prevent the police from monitoring this kind of activity. If you are running from the law it can help you getaway too. My thought is, if you break the law you will likely be caught and deserve the penalties. I am NOT innocent either, I have had my share of tickets.
My brother is proactive and has a jammer on his car.

As for privacy... Not only are the medical bound, so is everyone....HIPAA. And... you can be sued if you talk about another persons medical or if what you say prevents them from obtaining employment. Check out defamation of character.

That's like saying your ok with a TSA agent groping a little kid. The kid dose not have a bomb so its ok.

[snot]

Originally Posted by fishdip

That's like saying your ok with a TSA agent groping a little kid. The kid dose not have a bomb so its ok.

Bull ****, it is not. Not once did I say anything about a kid or TSA. BREAK THE LAW pay the price. Cop killed because you want to speed is not a good trade. That is my point. Don't put words in my mouth, the TSA and traffic cop are not the same.

[Brother Michigan]

If someone wants to kill a police officer, not being able to use Waze to see where a cop was sitting on the side of the freeway thirty minutes ago isn't going to stop them.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

Bull ****, it is not. Not once did I say anything about a kid or TSA. BREAK THE LAW pay the price. Cop killed because you want to speed is not a good trade. That is my point. Don't put words in my mouth, the TSA and traffic cop are not the same.

So i am going to kill a cop if I speed hmmmm

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

Bull ****, it is not. Not once did I say anything about a kid or TSA. BREAK THE LAW pay the price. Cop killed because you want to speed is not a good trade. That is my point. Don't put words in my mouth, the TSA and traffic cop are not the same.

Also tsa and cops are the same dick heads who justify being a ass as protecting us

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by snot

So, if you are playing by the rules why does it matter where they are?

it doesn't. and this information is publicly available. so what does it matter if publicly available information is available to the public?

Originally Posted by snot

As for other officers, my neighbor (now gone) was/is a drug dealer. Every time someone reported them they heard it on a scanner (no app needed). This went on until they lost the house, ever live next to a dealer? With a little girl in your home, and they know when you are gone?

so because they sell drugs, now they are going to rape your daughter? slippery slope argument you've got going on here. what did they get reported for? selling drugs? did that harm someone?

Originally Posted by snot

Other than scanners, an app could also prevent the police from monitoring this kind of activity.

police are not supposed to surveil anything. they are supposed to enforce policy.

Originally Posted by snot

If you are running from the law it can help you getaway too.

so can a well placed banana peel. are banana peels to be made illegal?

Originally Posted by snot

My thought is, if you break the law you will likely be caught and deserve the penalties. I am NOT innocent either, I have had my share of tickets.
My brother is proactive and has a jammer on his car.

let's pretend for a second i have never broken any laws. why am i to be punished and restricted in order to make a normally legal act illegal in order to be able to punish certain people who might also be breaking other laws?

Originally Posted by snot

As for privacy... Not only are the medical bound, so is everyone....HIPAA. And... you can be sued if you talk about another persons medical or if what you say prevents them from obtaining employment. Check out defamation of character.

what does HIPAA have to do with it?

HIPAA is the acronym for the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act that was passed by Congress in 1996. HIPAA does the following: Provides the ability to transfer and continue health insurance coverage for millions of American workers and their families when they change or lose their jobs;

nobody is sharing medical information. people are reporting information about the location of a police unit.

what if this information was used to build a database that was used to redirect police to less-covered areas? it is the same thing, but the reasoning behind it is different. in this case, it would be heralded as a benefit to law enforcement and the community... in reality it is exactly the same thing, the only difference is how this information is used.

you can't make a law to prohibit a normally legal activity simply because the people you don't like perform that activity.

[snot]

Again stop adding words, I didn't say they would harm her. She just watched all the deals go down and almost got hit by a car when they sped away. More worried about my safety so I just open carry in my yard.
What is the point of the app and knowing where the popo are?

Medical part was referring to privacy act. Stop trying to add what is not there.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by snot

Again stop adding words, I didn't say they would harm her. She just watched all the deals go down and almost got hit by a car when they sped away. More worried about my safety so I just open carry in my yard.
What is the point of the app and knowing where the popo are?

Medical part was referring to privacy act. Stop trying to add what is not there.

the point of the app is to know what is happening on the highway.

and you are arguing against it. i have family in law enforcement too. personally i don't let me family connections invalidate my view on a free society and what creates a police state

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

Again stop adding words, I didn't say they would harm her. She just watched all the deals go down and almost got hit by a car when they sped away. More worried about my safety so I just open carry in my yard.
What is the point of the app and knowing where the popo are?

Medical part was referring to privacy act. Stop trying to add what is not there.

Why not know where they are? Its just like recording them they try to stop ppl from doing it all the time even tho its not illegal.

[alex.s]

lets flip it around shall we?

if the cops aren't doing anything wrong, why would they be worried about people videotaping them?

[alex.s]

i think this is the real problem. people think police should be judge dredd. that's not how the system works. police should not have as much power as we expect them to take. they are not detectives. they are not judges. not prosecutors. not investigators. they are called to a scene to keep the peace. not disrupt the peace.

[snot]

Knowing what is on the road (hazards) is good. The cop thing CAN have a negative impact that CAN out weigh the positive. That is all I was trying to point out. I have a camera in my car to protect me from false accusations when/if I needed in a court room.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by snot

Knowing what is on the road (hazards) is good. The cop thing CAN have a negative impact that CAN out weigh the positive. That is all I was trying to point out. I have a camera in my car to protect me from false accusations when/if I needed in a court room.

i agree that many things can be used for good as well as bad.

i don't believe in making everything that can be used for bad illegal.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

Knowing what is on the road (hazards) is good. The cop thing CAN have a negative impact that CAN out weigh the positive. That is all I was trying to point out. I have a camera in my car to protect me from false accusations when/if I needed in a court room.

What is one negative thing it can be used for that you can not use something else for the same results?

[snot]

I never said make it illegal, I just said I see both sides and decided to debate the side of law enforcement.
I support our rights for freedom, anytime something is made illegal there is always something else the govt tries to slip past. More laws = less freedom.

[snot]

Originally Posted by fishdip

What is one negative thing it can be used for that you can not use something else for the same results?

What is one positive, that is legal?

Never said there wasn't

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by snot

What is one positive, that is legal?

knowing what hazards are on the road is the positive, legal, and sole purpose for the app. as stated in the app intro, the app description, the app manual, and the app help online.

[snot]

Originally Posted by fishdip

What is one negative thing it can be used for that you can not use something else for the same results?

One positive you cannot use something else same result?

Originally Posted by snot

What is one positive, that is legal?

Never said there wasn't

Ditto....except playing with devices while driving. But, This would include all apps, CBs, radio... Anything that distracts your attention from driving.

Originally Posted by alex.s

knowing what hazards are on the road is the positive, legal, and sole purpose for the app. as stated in the app intro, the app description, the app manual, and the app help online.

See above...you can do this with other resources.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

What is one positive, that is legal?

Never said there wasn't

knowing where speed traps are at.

[snot]

Originally Posted by allanoue

I disagree with you but I respect and see your points. Why does a difference in opinion need be a war?

Because apparently, human nature makes us irrational....

Adding words and interpretations to what others say, or trying to offend them by fat fingering the unhelpful... Etc.

I know you debate with logic and are very civil. Unfortunately, not everyone is.

[snot]

Originally Posted by fishdip

knowing where speed traps are at.

Speeding is against the law. So, are dui check points a bad thing too?

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by snot

Speeding is against the law. So, are dui check points a bad thing too?

did you know that speed traps are against the law?

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

Speeding is against the law. So, are dui check points a bad thing too?

Yes they are a bad thing. Also I did not say I was speeding (words in mouth: thumbup. For that matter ppl like to brake cheek when they see a cop even ppl who are not speeding so in fact knowing a area that cars may be slowing due to a speed trap is helpful

[Road Dawg1]

Originally Posted by snot

One positive you cannot use something else same result?



Ditto....except playing with devices while driving. But, This would include all apps, CBs, radio... Anything that distracts your attention from driving.



See above...you can do this with other resources.

Sorry. I'm late to the party tonight.

Waze is available to me at no extra expense. Should real-time traffic data only be available to those who can afford it? Since when do basic rights involve 'pay to play' or did I misunderstand? I never bought a standalone GPS for several reasons and now my phone does a better job more cheaply than any standalone GPS.

I've used Waze for a few months. The 'cop' indicator is a minor feature, not the sole purpose as reported in the media. I use it to judge how serious road hazards ahead might be. One incident/hazard flag isn't too much to worry about, but several or with a cop or three is going to be ugly traffic. I think extra indicators for other emergency vehicles would be nice.

If the police think their presence isn't being passed around, they've forgotten what it is like to be young and passing on the presence of authority figures to others is automatic. This is just another way. Take it away and people will use SMS, Bookface, or some other social media app.

Again, cop tracking is far from the primary focus of the app. Would it be better to change the cop icon to a generic emergency vehicle?


Many times what a person says about others also reveals more than intended about themselves.

[dcj13]

Originally Posted by Road Dawg1

Many times what a person says about others also reveals more than intended about themselves.

Well stated, sir!

[fishdip]

Another thing to keep in mind the police use to be around to server and protect the public now for the most part all they serve is the government. A small town in Colorado the cops still give free rides to the public to get them home from the bar or to help them get to the store. other then a few out siders there has never been any violence agents a cop by a person of the town. Why because all of them treat the ppl of the city with respect.

[snot]

Originally Posted by alex.s

did you know that speed traps are against the law?

Yes I do, and so is profiling.

[snot]

So, my question to all of you using the app.... I don't use my phone at all while driving, in fact it is in my purse and out of reach. Do you use this while driving, like a GPS or is it interactive? I ask because distractive driving is also illegal, and in Ohio they are push hands free by 2016.

[dcj13]

Good question, Snot!

Prettywife and I use Waze when we're both in the car going somewhere that involves a significant drive (relative, I know...).

The copilot runs Waze and lets the driver know what's ahead (traffic, disabled cars, cops, whatever).

I don't hate cops. But I don't like them, either.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

So, my question to all of you using the app.... I don't use my phone at all while driving, in fact it is in my purse and out of reach. Do you use this while driving, like a GPS or is it interac? I ask because distractive driving is also illegal, and in Ohio they are push hands free by 2016.

I use it all the time on the bike. And the same cops who want this taken away are the same ones doing this.
http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...ecutive-2014-8

[snot]

Originally Posted by Road Dawg1

Sorry. I'm late to the party tonight.

cop tracking is far from the primary focus of the app. Would it be better to change the cop icon to a generic emergency vehicle?


Many times what a person says about others also reveals more than intended about themselves.

I don't see how its a party when one person is just defending an opinion. The emergency would be good so you know to avoid the area or where to move over. I still use the radio for traffic updates, it is free and I know my area well enough to know when to avoid certain roads. I might be pretty useful when traveling.

What did I reveal that was unintended? I could of debated the other side of this as well.
I am not trying to change anyone's mind, just want to understand why others thought what they did.

[snot]

Originally Posted by fishdip

I use it all the time on the bike. And the same cops who want this taken away are the same ones doing this.
http://www.businessinsider.com/polic...ecutive-2014-8

I asked a sheriff about something similar, I was told they are trained to do this. It reminds me of a CR on the track looking backwards. They are trained, and just because they can does not mean you can or should...and it is a risk that can end bad. He also told me in some parts of Ohio officers are not allowed to use new devices, they must use the radio only.


The sheriff was teaching the traffic class I had to attend

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by snot

I asked a sheriff about something similar, I was told they are trained to do this. It reminds me of a CR on the track looking backwards. They are trained, and just because they can does not mean you can or should...and it is a risk that can end bad. He also told me in some parts of Ohio officers are not allowed to use new devices, they must use the radio only.


The sheriff was teaching the traffic class I had to attend

Training will only take you so far.

[snot]

Yep, that's why I said it's a risk. CRs on the track know this too.
I don't think it is right the cop should just walk with no repercussions. His first job was to protect the innocent

[Road Dawg1]

Originally Posted by snot

So, my question to all of you using the app.... I don't use my phone at all while driving, in fact it is in my purse and out of reach. Do you use this while driving, like a GPS or is it interac? I ask because distractive driving is also illegal, and in Ohio they are push hands free by 2016.

Good Q. I use it mainly as GPS, will interact if I think I can do so safely.

[liberpolly]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

But this app will only benefit lawbreakers and such. If you aren't doing anything wrong or driving like an ass you're fine, what do you need it for?

This app mostly benefits people who want to avoid congested traffic, accidents, road hazards and such. It is not about cops. Cops just happen to be one of the road hazards, in the few of the users of the app - the app creators have nothing to do with it. This is how crowd-sourcing works - crowds decide what to source.

Saying that Wase is for lawbreakers is like saying that Internet is for pedophiles.

[liberpolly]

Originally Posted by snot

Now, again I did say TRAFFIC OFFICER if you are speeding you are BREAKING THE LAW. So, if you are playing by the rules why does it matter where they are?

It doesn't matter why does it matter. What matters is that people want to talk about it to each other, and whoever tries to prevent it is too dumb and incompetent to hold any law enforcement job whatsoever.