September 14th, 2012, 08:25 AM | #41 | |
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September 14th, 2012, 08:54 AM | #42 |
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Yep. IDK why we didn't get the fuel injected Ninja 250. Biggest fail in the first place.
Also I remember when I didn't know what Kawasaki was. My friend got a Brute Force, told me it was Kawasaki, great company, etc etc. and he laughed at me b/c I've never heard of them |
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September 14th, 2012, 09:07 AM | #44 |
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I understand this is an online forum full of people who spend an disproportionate amount of time online, but you guys need to take a step back into the real world about how most people buy a motorcycle. Not many people will put the time in to research which brand offers the best package or what a slipper clutch is or the difference between a 250 or a 300. The fact is most people in the real world have never heard of Kawasaki, and a lot of people just default to buying Honda because many people just come from Accords and Civics and have brand loyalty baked in.
Also many people buy based purely on price especially for a starter bike. The CBR250 is already 500 cheaper then the 2012 250, and now it's 700 cheaper. There is a difference between improving a bike in every shape and being competitive in the marketplace. The 2013 Ninja 300 is a better package then the CBR, but it remains to be seen whether increasing the price and adding new features are what most people are looking for in the small displacement motorcycle market, and whether it's enough to pull people away from Honda in terms of brand loyalty. |
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September 14th, 2012, 09:20 AM | #45 | |
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September 14th, 2012, 09:21 AM | #46 |
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OP, the kind of people who don't research stuff before they buy are more likely to be the kind of people who will be impressed with the extra cc's. Just sayin. Cue this conversation:
rider 1: Nice bike! rider2: it's a ninja 300. I needed more POWER and SPEED than I would have gotten with a 250 like yours. I'm just keeping this until I can get a 1000cc supersport. so, either way you look at it I think there's gonna be a market for the 300 |
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September 14th, 2012, 09:27 AM | #47 | |
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I mean I could pick up a good condition 90s ear Civic for $2,000 that'll last me years and give me close to 40 mpg. Theres no way id spend over twice that on something I can only ride 9 months out of the year. Motorcycles are grown up toys for people with extra cash to blow. Now if I have 4k to blow chances are I can find another 700 dollars somewhere to get me a bike that's more capable than the CBR 250 will ever be. |
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September 14th, 2012, 09:53 AM | #48 |
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September 14th, 2012, 09:58 AM | #49 |
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I beg your pardon? When people think of sports bikes... one of the first things to pop up to mind is a ninja...
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September 14th, 2012, 10:27 AM | #50 |
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If that's not 6 hp, I don't know what is... 21 hp seems pretty close to me for the CBR |
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September 14th, 2012, 10:39 AM | #51 |
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September 14th, 2012, 10:50 AM | #52 | |
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Its the 'NINJA' name that sells first of all. its been around 30 or so years now and has the cool factor, plain and simple. Then you look at the thing and its slaps the **** out of the CBR in the looks department. Even the current gen is better looking than the CBR. Then all the noobies wanna go vroom vroom and beat their buddies in the Civics and Corollas, can't do that on the CBR. This is an evolution for Kawi in the small cc segment. and Jiggles in what dimension is 21 hp vs 31 hp a 50% increase??? Just off the top of my head its about 30%, which is still significant
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September 14th, 2012, 10:55 AM | #53 | |
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I may not have a business MBA from Harvard, or twenty years experience as an executive marketing motorcycles. I may just be a simple cave man, but there's one thing I do know - the United States is known as being one of the most price competitive markets for motorcycles and for most people working these days with financing at an all time low coming out of the worst recession this generation has seen - 700 dollars is not chump change. And for people looking to get a small 250 for economy / fuel efficiency reasons, the CBR250R is still much more efficient then the Ninja - I can't imagine that equation changes much by increasing the engine size of the Ninja. New bikes matter to a lot of people who are looking at taking advantage of the unlimited mileage warranty and cheap 5 year extended warranty offered at dealers. |
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September 14th, 2012, 10:55 AM | #54 | |
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I think it's more likely that Kawasaki will CHANGE the minisport class than that they'll lose the class. And even if the CBR gains the lion's share, it will take a long time for the market to shift that much. |
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September 14th, 2012, 10:56 AM | #55 |
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September 14th, 2012, 10:57 AM | #56 |
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Yes, on a Kawasaki forum that's true - and for people who are already familiar with sport bikes. Ask 10 random people on the street who makes motorcycles and all 10 will say Honda, you'd be lucky if even one said Kawasaki.
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September 14th, 2012, 11:09 AM | #57 |
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it is apparent that I've never rode a motorcycle
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September 14th, 2012, 11:16 AM | #58 | |
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I also don't have an MBA from Harvard but I am an accountant, and it takes a simply bit of math to realize that the difference in the long run is tiny. I'm talking a couple of cheeseburgers a month tiny. I'd do the math before I made claims like that. Not trying to be mean or anything but, .5(21) = 10.5, 21+10.5=31.5, so it is in fact a 50% increase. |
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September 14th, 2012, 11:36 AM | #59 |
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At the end of the day there will be no fail by Honda or Kawasaki. They both make great bikes and they will both sell for many reasons we could all only dream of. There is a ton of market for these bikes as the price for everything goes up. I am excited to see the class being brought back to life with a bit of competition which will benefit us all as this moves forward.
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September 14th, 2012, 11:41 AM | #60 |
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September 14th, 2012, 12:12 PM | #61 |
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September 14th, 2012, 12:23 PM | #62 | |
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They've got a real advantage by making all their sports bikes available in kawasaki lime green, it's immediately recognisable. Many parts of the world have restrictions for new riders (pretty much everywhere except the USA). Europe is standardising at no more than 35kW (about 46bhp) Honda's 250 is about half that, most beginners go for the highest powered machine legally allowed, I was predicting a 45bhp, 400 from one of the big 4 to be announced. Kawasaki is also one of the biggest companies in the world, they've made everything from sections of the International Space Station, to nuclear power plants, attack helicopters to bullet trains & jet engines, submarines & the biggest selling bike worldwide. If I was starting over & had the choice between the ninja 250 (08) & the CBR 250 it would be no contest, ninja 250, in a choice between the ninja 250 & 300 I'd go for the 300. The CBR 250 has it's niche, but it's a city commuter only, it does it very well, but so does a dullville. |
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September 14th, 2012, 12:37 PM | #63 |
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I hope they both succeed in sales. A lot of Ninja owners generally knock the cbr 250 yet have never even ridden one. Its all about loyalty as Kawi folks go hard for their ninjas and honda folks go hard for their cbr's. I love them both but I think Kawasaki should have come out with a 400cc as the 300cc is just too close in engine size of the 250. I expect dealers won't be able to keep the 300s in stock. Hondas best bet would be to come out with the 400cc cbr or 500cc cbr or be in some trouble with the 250 cbr in the near future.
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September 14th, 2012, 12:41 PM | #64 |
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I don't see how this is relevant info. So we're supposed to assume that though you're complaining about the price, it's done understandably so because, hey! In the end of the day, you're the type of buyer who spends $3,000 on wheels or $1,000 for a piece of carbon fiber to attach on your car, right?
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September 14th, 2012, 12:50 PM | #65 |
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For someone not to know Kawasaki or what a bike named Ninja is, it has to be an alien or something else out of this planet.
I have wanted (or lusted for) a Ninja since I was a kid back in the 80's-90's. But the thing about it is that I am from Brazil and Kawasaki didn't start selling Ninjas here until 2009. Before that there wasn't even a pregen here and I already wanted one, just from the name and the very few imported bigger Ninjas around. And there wasn't even internet back then. So, really, if you don't know Kawasaki, you are a alienated person (if that word makes sense in English) |
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September 14th, 2012, 12:56 PM | #66 | |
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September 14th, 2012, 12:58 PM | #67 | |
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The 300 will do great, especially in the European market, where the limits were just raised for beginners. This is officially the most powerful bike that a beginner can get that has more features than anything else on the market. OP, stop b**ching about how much it costs. If you're cheap and are complaining about the cost of buying a bike, buy a pregen. They're cheap and bullet proof. The price of the 250 increased in 2008 when it was remodeled. People complained. But the bike still sold like hot cakes. |
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September 14th, 2012, 01:02 PM | #68 | |
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September 14th, 2012, 01:08 PM | #69 |
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sad thing for Honda is that the CBR is almost virtually the same for 2013.
as said before, best thing they can do is drop their price which to be fair is still TBD for their '13 |
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September 14th, 2012, 01:13 PM | #70 | |
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With just light weight mufflers and wheels a CBR250 can get very close to 300 pounds wet, which is not possible for a Ninja without significant changes. Honda also makes CBR125 and CBR150 which are popular in racing classes around the world. |
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September 14th, 2012, 01:52 PM | #71 |
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I have no doubt Kawasaki's decision to go with the 300 cc, features, and MSRP are all backed by what they feel is sound market intelligence. Sure, it's a competitive reaction but that's only natural when you're the only game in town for years and then in steps one of the other big 4 wanting a piece of the pie. Kawasaki had to expect that this would happen sooner or later.
What I'm more sure of is that this isn't a knee jerk or blind reaction from the folks at Kawasaki to Honda. Yes the MSRP is higher, however within the same segment companies can take different approaches to market positioning and thus, pricing. Honda has positioned the CBR250R as the affordable yet still fun offering in this segment and it will obviously appeal to the more budget-conscientious buyers and those looking at fuel economy. Even when the CBR entered into the foray, the Ninja 250 was still regarded as the more sporty, performance oriented of the two. With the 300, Kawasaki has embraced that positioning and taken it to the next level. The 300 isn't simply about Kawasaki's answer to the CBR250R. I believe it's much more than that. It's about Kawasaki setting the bar and daring other players like Yamaha, Suzuki, KTM, etc., to submit an answer to the 300. |
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September 14th, 2012, 02:00 PM | #73 |
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What we dont know is that the OP is actually working for kawasaki.. and gauging our interest in the bike by starting a crazy flaming thread with a ridiculous title
well played kawasaki. well played. i own a cbr600rr, have a 250, have 2 fzrs and im still considering buying this 300. a good deal of people i know who have 250s want to sell and buy a 300 because fuel injection, the new electronics package, new gauges. yeah, its a nice bike, and even with just word of mouth, i think the 300 will be a hot item. if honda re-styled their 250 to look better and ride a little more aggressively, we could have a really good smaller engine market here |
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September 14th, 2012, 02:03 PM | #74 |
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uhhh, i ride a green cbr. and the random people (RIDERS AND NON RIDERS) who approach me ask if i ride a ninja. this happens all the time, only other cbr owners will get my bike right.
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September 14th, 2012, 02:36 PM | #75 |
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Do you find that surprising when your sample population is the people who approach a green colored motorcycle wanting to talk to the rider?
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September 14th, 2012, 02:48 PM | #76 | |
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Customers can choose between a cheap and efficient sportbike or a more expensive and faster sportbike. I think the market has room for both, and I'm sure other manufacturers are watching pretty closely. They will probably wait and see how the Ninja 300 does before jumping in with either a CBR250R competitor or a Ninja 300 competitor. |
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The current CBR 250 isn't an I4, every other CBR (bar the 125) is an I4 sports bike, the old MC19s & MC22s (and the older versions) were I4, high revving sports bikes, the 125 is a single but looks more like the rest of the CBR family, the 250 is the odd one out: Lets play the bike paternity test... The baby The rest of the family But momma was playing offside with this Lets ask |
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September 14th, 2012, 03:05 PM | #78 |
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A bike is more then it's looks.
Yes, a CBR250R looks like a mini-VFR, but it's DNA is more CBR. CBRs have always been light weight sports bikes. VFRs have all exclusively had the V4 engine, and especially later morphed into sport tourers. The latest VFR even uses a shaft drive. The CBR125R is a single cylinder four stroke on the market for 5 years. The CBR150R is a single cylinder four stroke on the market for 10 years. The few exceptions to the light weight CBR rule are the blackbird and hurricane. Every recent VFR within the last 10 years has been a heavy weight sports tourer over 500 pounds. |
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September 14th, 2012, 03:09 PM | #79 |
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can't be bothered to read more than 3 posts so heres my thoughts after skimming the rest;
OP doesn't realize they are in the minority of motorcyclists, thinks they are center of world. is wrong.
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If you mean it'll fail in the sense that all the squids and posers will buy one, I agree. It'll sell like crazy regardless.
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