Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[ninjaone]

Considering 250 class racing is almost wholly dominated by Ninjas now anyway, I'm sure they will create a new class for the new 300 Ninjas.

[broken neck]

Originally Posted by Racer x

All they did was bore it out. I bet it has 41.2mm stroke and 68mm bore.

Bore and Stroke 62.0 x 49.0 mm

[thisisbenji]

Originally Posted by lgk

the main advantages of fuel injection for the regular rider are cold weather starts and fuel savings.

there's nothing wrong with the carbs, when setup correctly.
did you shim the needle?

As long as it's above 40 out I try to ride my bike to work every day so I could see it being convenient as far as warming up the bike goes. As far as my carbs I didn't do anything I had it done at a shop. I'm going to get it dyno tuned next week and hopefully it'll solve my problems.

[Alex]

And I want a pony. I didn't delete the first post, the initial poster did when he got flak and people poked fun. What he probably still doesn't understand is that he got so much flak primarily due to his posting style ("you'll need to come back and apologize!") rather than anything to do with the information itself.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by thisisbenji

I never thought of it like that, I just have been having so many issues with mine. I understand it's because I put a pipe on it, if I had left it stock I'd probably be fine. I just feel like f.i. would be easier for day to day commuting but I'v never owned a f.i. bike so who knows.

If you put a pipe on the FI bike it will run like **** too. Difference is you can make the carbs run well again for about $2-$30. To make the FI run well with a pipe or intake mod you'll need a $300 power commander

[Somchai]

@choneofakind, you're right when you say: "FI isn't the deal breaker honestly.

My efi system is nice. It's convenient. But it was a hassle to learn about. Tuning is a pain.

and if something goes wrong on a ride, I'm screwed. There's ways to force a carb to run, not so much with fi. You can bump start a dead bike with a carb. If my battery dies, I'm sol. There's more to go wrong once you add more electronics."

The reason for all this is the same way the car manufacturer are going, make it more and more complicated with replacing everything with electronics, so for every service you have to go to the dealer and not doing it by yourself, because you don't have the test equipment and much more YOU DON'T HAVE THE NECCESARY AND IMPORTANT INFORMATIONS WITHOUT YOU CAN'T ADJUST ANYTHING.

[Jiggles]

the ninja 250 is not on the EPA list

[Aufitt]

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[thisisbenji]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

If you put a pipe on the FI bike it will run like **** too. Difference is you can make the carbs run well again for about $2-$30. To make the FI run well with a pipe or intake mod you'll need a $300 power commander

Maybe you could, but I can't. I lack the mechanical skills to do so, every time I try to mess with the carbs I tend to make them worse.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I find this amusing.

The Indonesia guys were all bragging and puffing out their chests because they got the bike unveiled first, but now the rest of the world (well, not officially) has a 300 while Indonesia is stuck with a 250.

I wonder how hard it would be to sneak a 300 into indonesia and play it off as a 250... they look identical.

Probably more difficult than just boring the indonesian 250

[choneofakind]

bahhaha yes. That was it!

Then he came back and pretty much said "I told you so" and now he kinda sulked off all huffy

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

the ninja 250 is not on the EPA list

The website he's talking about certainly seems to say so.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by CZroe

The website he's talking about certainly seems to say so.

Its a different 250, the website he's talking about doesn't check their facts. It's the klx 250 or something like that, pretty sure its a single and says so right on the epa sheet

[LoneRonin]

Good thing is since its no longer a 250 the newgen is still the newgen...

The real question is, will this new engine swap over easily...?

[Sonofswin]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

the ninja 250 is not on the EPA list

Hey!! You're right!! Never thought I should have checked their sources, that was the KLX they had listed. But then again, I didn't see a 300cc or 400cc Ninja either. Was I looking at the wrong spreadsheet or what?

The one I looked at: Here

The EPA page: Here

Anyone know which file all these reports are coming from?

[Racer x]

Originally Posted by broken neck

Bore and Stroke 62.0 x 49.0 mm

Really ooooo that is great. I want one of those engines.

[psych0hans]

I wonder what they'll launch in India... I don't we'll see it till mid 2013, by that time I'll hopefully have upgraded to a 675, and even then I couldn't be sure what version we'll get. We currently have the european spec FI250, so we might get that, but then again, here the CBR is already half the price of the Ninja, so they might launch the 250 with the same current pricing? Only time will tell...

[Monkeytofu]

The fake two bulb light is one of the most terrible design choices modern motorcycle designers have ever through of. It's lazy design and obviously trying to cut corners on something that is easily resolved by adding another bulb.

[KawiKid860]

So the guy everyone thought was a troll was actually right..? This is weird to me. A ninja 250 and a Ninja 300 with like a 5hp difference and a few upgrades on the 300, just seems weird to have both available at the same time.

[psych0hans]

Originally Posted by KawiKid860

So the guy everyone thought was a troll was actually right..? This is weird to me. A ninja 250 and a Ninja 300 with like a 5hp difference and a few upgrades on the 300, just seems weird to have both available at the same time.

They won't be... One will be available in one market, the other in the other market. I'm sure there will be a significant price difference between the two. One will be a basic version, one will have a slipper clutch :P

[ninja250r81]

Originally Posted by KawiKid860

So the guy everyone thought was a troll was actually right..? This is weird to me. A ninja 250 and a Ninja 300 with like a 5hp difference and a few upgrades on the 300, just seems weird to have both available at the same time.

just until they sell all of the 250's

[ali0120]

http://www.kawasaki-cp.khi.co.jp/mcy...ex300ab_e.html

[dfox]

ninja 400... a heavy, sleeved down 650 that only has 4 more hp than the 300? just like previous years, that'll never make it here.

seriously... how about a 55 hp 400 on the 250/300 body? THAT, I would buy in a heartbeat.

[CC Cowboy]

Originally Posted by ninjaone

Considering 250 class racing is almost wholly dominated by Ninjas now anyway, I'm sure they will create a new class for the new 300 Ninjas.

A 300 will have to race with the 600 class. Don't worry though, a 300 will still be faster in the turns (just like a 250 is).

[Compooky]

I thought this was going to be fake when I read slipper clutch...

[nealt]

In Canada, there's no more 250 just 300 for 2013

http://www.kawasaki.ca/model/STREET-.../Ninja-300-ABS

no mention of a slipper clutch though

[adouglas]

More details here:

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/20...lipper-clutch/

Scroll down and you'll see a link to an e-book with a lot more info than we've seen so far.

Evidently the engine is the same as the new 250 engine but with a longer stroke, new pistons, bigger valves and a few other detail changes. Some cartoony and rather useless power curves are in the book comparing it to the 250... the profiles look pretty much the same but the 300 has more power and torque everywhere (duh, of course... same engine, just bigger, so it'll make power the same way).

Forks are still 37mm and appear to be identical to what we've got now. Translation: Zero change to the suspension other than the already-announced changes to spring rates and damping. No adjustments other than rear preload. In fact, just as with the 250, all the bits and pieces... rearsets, swingarm, brakes, fork, bars... look identical to the 08-12 bike. They say the frame has been tweaked and stiffened.

The book also says first gear is shorter and 6th is taller. Rear sprocket is now 42T. (Correction from initial post... I mistakenly said 47T).

We now have a flash-to-pass button.

Seat has been reprofiled... narrower up front for REALLY short people. Seat height still the same at 785mm.

Claimed curb weight is 172 kg (374.4 lbs) non-ABS. Add two kilos (4.4 lbs) for ABS.

Tires are still IRC but they claim a new compound that's better in the wet. 140 rear, just like the new 250.

Factory accessories include a taller windscreen (not touring, more like a DB) available in clear or light smoke. Factory frame sliders are also available, but require cutting the bodywork.

Somebody must have finally gotten the memo about rear fenders. It's still not as good looking as a fender eliminator, but at least we don't have that stupid dangling mudflap hanging halfway down to the ground anymore. All you see from the rear is the plate, turn signals and the stub that holds the plate light.

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by nealt

In Canada, there's no more 250 just 300 for 2013

http://www.kawasaki.ca/model/STREET-.../Ninja-300-ABS

no mention of a slipper clutch though

Along with FI that might be perfect.

[adouglas]

A couple of other bits:

Compression ratio is lower than the 250, now 10.6:1, down from 11.6:1. That means it'll digest low-octane gas better (this hasn't been an issue to date because the existing engine is already designed for 87 octane, but you never know what's going to happen in the future).

Redline is down a tiny bit, from the current 13,250 to 13,000.

Oil capacity is up from 1.7L to 2.4L, and like the 250 we now have a spin-on oil filter. The upside is more oil --> better cooling and possibly longer oil life, and spin-on filter --> less messy oil changes. The downside is that changes will cost more now.

[massacremasses]

So that guy who said there was going to be a ninja 300 a long time ago was right. haha I guess everyone owes him an apology.

[Jono]

To the OP, I sincerely apologize for not believing you.


Who knew trolls had insider information.

[CC Cowboy]

As far as a 300 with 39hp; I'd probably never buy something with that much power. It's only going to get you in trouble.

[kcaja1]

Did anyone see that there's still a new 250?

http://www.kawasaki-cp.khi.co.jp/mcy...ex250lm_e.html

[ali0120]

Is any one of you planning to go to Times Square New York September 13th?
If yes. PLEASE take a camera and post some photos like the minute you see a new Ninja there. OR at lease post a "text" of the colors they brought to US of America.

[Aufitt]

White, Black, and the pukey ltd edition greeeen listed on the Au kawasaki site.

lots of info here-

http://www.kawasaki.com.au/ninja300/

[massacremasses]

sooo the question is... what one are we getting?

[ChrisMKV]

Good thing that I wouldn't be able to get one on my learner's license, otherwise the temptation would be hard to resist!

Although I'm not convinced 100% on the new design yet... Looks kind of over-aggressive to me. Like trying too hard to be one of the "big boys"...

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by adouglas

A couple of other bits:

Compression ratio is lower than the 250, now 10.6:1, down from 11.6:1. That means it'll digest low-octane gas better (this hasn't been an issue to date because the existing engine is already designed for 87 octane, but you never know what's going to happen in the future).

Redline is down a tiny bit, from the current 13,250 to 13,000.

Oil capacity is up from 1.7L to 2.4L, and like the 250 we now have a spin-on oil filter. The upside is more oil --> better cooling and possibly longer oil life, and spin-on filter --> less messy oil changes. The downside is that changes will cost more now.

Also, this means that newgen clipons stilll have a good chance of working, I'll hazard a guess and say that the rearsets will work as well.

Lower compression means there's still an opportunity for aftermarket high compression pistons for moar powah. So if the engine makes 39 hp on 10.6:1, imaging what it will do when you raise it to 11.6 like the newgen, or 12.5 like the pregen.

Good gearing changes that will be a little more user friendly for highway, but still fun everywhere else? The kawasaki boys have been reading ninjette

A flash to pass button is good. I flash before I pass and a little trigger would be convenient.

Any word on 4-way flashers? That would be nice to have if needed without cluttering up my handlebars with another switch to bypass the idiot light on the gauges.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by LoneRonin

will this new engine swap over easily...?

sure.

but then you have the fun task of installing all the sh!t that goes along with a factory fuel injection system. You'd be better off to just buy the new bike since you'd be transplanting half of it into the bike you're swapping with anyways.

[lgk]

Originally Posted by massacremasses

sooo the question is... what one are we getting?

carbed old gen throwback