February 21st, 2015, 12:02 PM | #121 |
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Yeah, that's true. Although there are some benefits to the single. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think singles produce a decent amount of torque.
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February 21st, 2015, 01:25 PM | #122 |
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it looks like ninja 250, especially the side view of the tail, even the side fairing has the same 'arrow' look to it
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Lol Benji, you just further proved my point. Did you maybe miss the snarky sarcasm I had there? I was being facetious to make a point for Danny. There's more to a bike that makes it 'better' than just the peak power numbers like he was suggesting.
Yes to everything you said. I really think the current small displacement bikes are as good or better as a whole package compared to the old stuff. This includes useable power, price, suspension, etc etc etc. To make a small bike truly a supersport and spec it with high end stuff and similar design to current supersports (even using an existing parallel twin or single engine) would mean that you would have to pay supersport prices. |
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But for sure, even with the RC390 your talking $9,000 if you want the adjustable WP suspension (although it could be less if KTM came out with a RC390R that included the suspension). I could pick up a brand new ZX6R for that kind of money. Not to mention the fit and finish on the ZX6R would be much better. |
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Well then... derp on my part
I misunderstood you understanding my understanding of Danny's miswording. |
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Instead we are truly getting sub standard parts for that price
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February 21st, 2015, 07:04 PM | #127 |
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Yeah, I don't like the ridiculous brake dive I get on my 300
wish I made more $$$ so I could afford to swap the springs to stiffen it up. May do that anyway.
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Not following you here. You seem to be correlating price and cost. I'm comparing spec level and price. For example, dual calipers on floating rotors don't care which motor they're paired with. They cost the same regardless. However, the 250 has a single rotor and its a cheepie
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Just sayin a new 600 SS, w/ all the hi spec equip, is 9.9k to 10.9k
A N300 is 5k-5.5k (5.9k for SE w ABS) - brakes, suspension, swingarm forks, bars all from the cheapo bin and most nearly 20yr old tech. I'm just sayin for half the price of SS, we are not getting that and we should for these prices or within 3k of 600's. I might just trade my ninja for the r3 if it has some better 'modern' tech that makes a difference. PS - Goin off my local prices...
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I'm still not following. Are you saying we should be getting the full Monty for half price because it's a small bike? Or are you saying that for half price, we're currently getting half the bike?
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this...just making a point really. Not tryin to start any arguments..just IMO
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It looked more like he was saying that we're paying half price but NOT getting even half the bike in performance and spec.
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Yeah that sums it up better
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February 22nd, 2015, 10:42 AM | #134 |
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I'd say your getting half the bike.... I mean it's hard to complain. The market for full on 250 spec race bikes just isn't there. Expect for a few die hard little bike fans, it would be hard to walk into your local dealer and pass up a Daytona 675 when it was the same price as a Ninja 300.
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February 22nd, 2015, 10:53 AM | #135 |
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There is no way a 300 SS should cost very much more than a current version, not the same price as a 12k Daytona.
Which is kinda the misconception that so many are willing to accept and then pass that info out as fact. I'll agree on the market aspect, but not the pricing. Anyway this going off topic, if you really want to discuss, make a new thread.
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:/ bring race specs into comparing stock bike pricing...is not practical nor within the scope of this discussion.
Really think about what you just compared... a race spec Daytona 675 would cost you what??? Sure as hell wouldn't be stock sticker price.
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Dude.... look up the specs on the RC390 Cup bike... it's a street bike with track fairings. Nothing more. The suspension on it isn't even anything to write home about. All it is a RC390 kitted out with parts for the part catalog that comes with the street bike. You get a bit of a discount for buying it all at once rather than having to swap out OEM components.
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while close to it your misleading info to fit your need. My thoughts where only comparing stock N300 to stock N636 from pricing standpoint. That a 600 SS cost 10k, then half that bike should be 5k. We have sort of that, a 5k half the size bike, but the components are superiorly sub-par. I'm not here to get into pissing match vs every bike out there and race spec BS.
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It's that spec that drives the difference though, not the displacement. It's why the same spec 600's and literbikes aren't nearly that different in price. Honda sells its supersport 600 for only 17% cheaper than its literbike. Kawasaki does the same, a 17% difference. Suzuki does the same for 19% cheaper on the smaller bike. Yamaha had a larger spread last year at 23%, but it's now even larger as they raised the price of the new R1 by $2K.
If you want anything like supersport spec components on a 300 class machine, a good estimate at scale would be 20% off the price of a 600, at best. (right in line with that RC390 Cup, actually).
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Good point Alex..honestly displacement wasn't reason for my thought.
Anyway, as I said before, this goin off topic too much and I honestly don't have info to start a back and forth comparisons w/ anyone. I was expressing my opinion of what we get for 5k to vs what I feel we should get.
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From what I understand, for the last 10 or so years kawasaki has had kind of a monopoly on the small bike market (here in the US)... At least sporty-looking 250 bikes. Finally in 2011 honda released the cbr250r and we saw how kawi reacted to that... they quickly released the N300.. now that the cbr 300, R3 and K390 are coming out we should see some interesting reactions from kawi to help prove why you should pick their bike over a competitor.
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Most recent info I've seen on the R3 -
http://canadamotoguide.com/2015/03/1...a-r3-review/#_ The article states they are made in Indonesia. |
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Perhaps ABS didn't make it to Canada?
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Y'know, the Triumph Speed Triple uses fully adjustable, upside-down 41mm cartridge forks.
Just sayin'.
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its for the drool. upside down forks don't make any technical sense on a streetbike.
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you clearly have seen none of my bikes.
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More advanced riders and track junkies can certainly benefit from suspension upgrades regardless of chassis. What intrigues me is greater adjustability... Not to mention the fact that you'd get dual discs in front.
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you know they make fully adjustable standard forks. you can get them super cheap off old r6's
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You mean full fork swap with triples or just tubes and wheel?
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Does the triumph have 2 different diameters on the outter tube for the lower and upper triple or just straight tube? Same goes for the R3? If you are swapping the entire triple you could consider anything at that point and find the one that swaps over the easiest or like alex s said, aftermarket triple.
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All the stuff that attaches to the forks would have to be dealt with also. Either bring the brakes over as well complete with lines and master, or fab a bracket adapter for the Yamaha bits.... etc. etc.
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