"To protect and serve" Pepper with that?

[Ninjinsky]

CHiPs it ain't.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/...n/?intcmp=hpff

[choneofakind]

Saw link to FOX news, did not click. Sorry.

[greg737]

"has been removed from the field and placed on desk duty pending an investigation,"

The "investigation" won't go deep enough to identify the only reason somebody would decide to pepper-spray people riding past on motorcycles: he's bat-**** crazy and doesn't belong in law enforcement (or any other position of power over others).

No amount of "counseling" or "re-training" or whatever other psycho-babble buzz-word/phrase you might choose will cure this officer's disfunction. He will continue to be a hazard to the public.

And I'm sure he'll soon be back out on the streets with his little badge continuing to do hateful things to riders.

[demp]

he should be charged with attempted murder

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by Ninjinsky

CHiPs it ain't.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/...n/?intcmp=hpff

I don't understand this at all. Even if you dislike bikers, even if they were acting like a bunch of hooligan idiots, there is no excuse for this.

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Saw link to FOX news, did not click. Sorry.

[Ninjinsky]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Saw link to FOX news, did not click. Sorry.

Yeah I haven't watched the debates since Megyn Kelly launched her biased attack on Donald.

[cbinker]

Sure lets jump on the band wagon before the evidence is in.

we will start with this:

Move Over Laws.

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by cbinker

Sure lets jump on the band wagon before the evidence is in.

we will start with this:

Move Over Laws.

Can you point out the part of the law that says anything about pepper spraying people who don't move over or slow down?

Again, even if the bikers were doing something wrong or unlawful, there is no excuse for the actions of that police officer.

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Can you point out the part of the law that says anything about pepper spraying people who don't move over or slow down?

Again, even if the bikers were doing something wrong or unlawful, there is no excuse for the actions of that police officer.

Self defense.

Have you ever been broke down on the side of the road and had to check your vehicle or change a tire?

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by cbinker

Self defense.

Have you ever been broke down on the side of the road and had to check your vehicle or change a tire?

Yes. And while the police officer was trying to exit his vehicle, it did not appear that he had been there long nor did it appear that there was enough room for the riders to safely merge into the adjacent lane to give him room. Given this situation, why did the officer not simply wait until it was safe? It DID appear that the riders had slowed before passing the cruiser, which is the lawful thing to do when you are not able to safely move over. As no rider made any overt threatening maneuvers that I can see, there is NO excuse for the officer's actions.

I don't understand how ANY rider can condone the assault of any other motorist, let alone other riders, when we experience so much aggression on a day to day basis from your everyday motorist. To think that you approve of an action that could easily have led to the injury or death of a fellow rider strains credulity.

[LittleRedNinjette]

They didn't exactly look organized... I could see self defence myself. If they gave the proper room i don't think they would have been hit by the spray anyway. they could have merged over with the other riders i think.

I like how the driver is bitching about the back spray. Um, if you weren't blatantly breaking the law you wouldn't have been pulled over?? I blame her for the whole thing. Her whole group looked like winners.

[tfkrocks]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Saw link to FOX news, did not click. Sorry.

I originally read about it here: http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/wat...=1457981917484

Originally Posted by cbinker

Self defense.

Have you ever been broke down on the side of the road and had to check your vehicle or change a tire?

But pepper spray could potentially cause more accidents. Causing more accidents prevents an accident how exactly?

Even if the riders were in the wrong, that still doesn't make the cop's choice of action justifiable.

[greg737]

Originally Posted by cbinker

Self defense.

Have you ever been broke down on the side of the road and had to check your vehicle or change a tire?

You have a very strange view of "self defense".

So you're driving along on the highway, feeling all secure because your car is working properly. Then you break down and have to pull over to the side. Now you feel all exposed and insecure on the roadside. And you think you have the right to get aggressive toward other vehicles driven by others? Just because they happen to be driving past your broken down vehicle?

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by demp

he should be charged with attempted murder

I agree he should be charged with something serious, but attempted murder seems like enough of an overreach that would more likely to lead to an acquittal.

[kdogg2077]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Saw link to FOX news, did not click. Sorry.

Don't wanna get your news from a biased source, huh? Don't kid yourself, NBC, CBS, CNN and all the other sites are just as biased.

[kdogg2077]

Looks like a case of reckless endangerment to me.

[choneofakind]

Geez, sense of humor, folks!

[cbinker]

Originally Posted by greg737

You have a very strange view of "self defense".

So you're driving along on the highway, feeling all secure because your car is working properly. Then you break down and have to pull over to the side. Now you feel all exposed and insecure on the roadside. And you think you have the right to get aggressive toward other vehicles driven by others? Just because they happen to be driving past your broken down vehicle?

or maybe i am trying to incite thought into people's minds. Again, lets just jump on the bandwagon before the evidence is in, ok sound good to you?

[Ninjinsky]

Originally Posted by cbinker

or maybe i am trying to incite thought into people's minds. Again, lets just jump on the bandwagon before the evidence is in, ok sound good to you?

It's not a trial. There will be a "concluded internal investigation" and a 'statement' designed to minimize the risk of a lawsuit.

[Suki2003]

Despite the law, they did move over a good bit, the officer was in no danger. Plus, he could have waited to exit his vehicle, there was no imminent police work that needed to be done that second.

Let's not look at this from a law stand point, but one of morality. The bikers were not assaulting the officer. The officer was the one on the offense. If he was not an officer and just some guy changing a tire on the side of the road that man would be in a ton of trouble.

I put blame on the guy who is supposed to serve and protect.

[LittleRedNinjette]

Has anyone see what happened befor the video in the OP?

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

Has anyone see what happened befor the video in the OP?

Yes, video was on reddit! Just a bunch of s stunting on the freeway, and wouldn't change the situation in the video here. Bottom line, I think, is that cop was just angry and got caught acting-out.

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by Suki2003

Despite the law, they did move over a good bit, the officer was in no danger.......

I put blame on the guy who is supposed to serve and protect.

In the reddit! discussion someone pointed out they may have still been riding within the scope of the law. IIRC they look to be doing at least 20mph under posted speed-limit. But the look of TERROR on the cop's face, oh my... he must have been so afraid /s.

"Protect and serve".... I know, but unfortunately the Supreme Court ruled their job is neither to protect, nor serve, but to enforce law. It's sad, but that seems like a reasonable interpretation of what the constitution says. I'd love to see the gun-rights folks pick-up on this nuance, as it would put a twist on that conversation.

OK, I'm being WAY too serious for a MC forum in the morning. I'm off to go ride (to work).

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by headshrink

Yes, video was on reddit! Just a bunch of s stunting on the freeway, and wouldn't change the situation in the video here. Bottom line, I think, is that cop was just angry and got caught acting-out.

Right behavior does not justify deadly force, or is this not deadly force?

[LittleRedNinjette]

But if it was a large group of riders acting like had more intrested in "stunting" on a public road, then paying attention to their surroundings. Then that is a point to self preservation.

I'm sure they could have found a empty parking lot or something to show off. Just putting that out there.

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

But if it was a large group of riders acting like had more intrested in "stunting" on a public road, then paying attention to their surroundings. Then that is a point to self preservation.

I'm sure they could have found a empty parking lot or something to show off. Just putting that out there.

They were absolutely wrong in every way, no argument here. The thing is, the narrative states that was a different group of bikers. I wasn't there, but that's what's being reported.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

But if it was a large group of riders acting like had more intrested in "stunting" on a public road, then paying attention to their surroundings. Then that is a point to self preservation.

I'm sure they could have found a empty parking lot or something to show off. Just putting that out there.

Self preservation by bliding bikers riding by, horse droppings!

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by allanoue

Right behavior does not justify deadly force, or is this not deadly force?

Not an expert, but possibly the action could be considered "deadly force" considering the situation, which is funny because pepper-spray is supposed to be "less-lethal," or something. But a car can also be considered a deadly weapon, so I suppose it IS possible. As an armchair DA, and as I mentioned earlier, I'd charge with a lesser crime because I don't think you'd get a conviction with a "deadly force" or "attempted murder" charge, and the public DOES need to see police held responsible for their actions.


OK, serious about signing out now.

[Suki2003]

Originally Posted by headshrink

In the reddit! discussion someone pointed out they may have still been riding within the scope of the law. IIRC they look to be doing at least 20mph under posted speed-limit. But the look of TERROR on the cop's face, oh my... he must have been so afraid /s.

"Protect and serve".... I know, but unfortunately the Supreme Court ruled their job is neither to protect, nor serve, but to enforce law. It's sad, but that seems like a reasonable interpretation of what the constitution says. I'd love to see the gun-rights folks pick-up on this nuance, as it would put a twist on that conversation.

OK, I'm being WAY too serious for a MC forum in the morning. I'm off to go ride (to work).

That Supreme Court decision, which I do want to read up on, I find quite unpleasant. Which is why I will say there are no good cops. Not all are awful people but many are probably just misguided with morals that could use some adjustment.
Police take an oath to enforce the law, not do their best to protect you health and property.
(End rant)

[csmith12]

I aint sure what all the debate is... seems kinda simple to me. Ask yourself this, if you did that as the cop drove by, what would you be charged with? I would most likely be charged with "1st degree wanton endangerment", a felony in KY.

[headshrink]

Originally Posted by csmith12

I aint sure what all the debate is... seems kinda simple to me. Ask yourself this, if you did that as the cop drove by, what would you be charged with? I would most likely be charged with "1st degree wanton endangerment", a felony in KY.

Not really a debate, just banter and preaching to the choir.

[LittleRedNinjette]

Originally Posted by Suki2003

there are no good cops.

http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/our-f...olice-of-2015/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d4f33a026627
http://fox8.com/2015/09/27/kansas-po...-man-to-tears/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/good-cops/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/remin...rld#.or163OPVx

Nope. None.


To me clear i'm not saying what happened here was right or wrong. It may well have been an overreaction but we will never see an unbiased report as that sadly doesn't exist any more.

There was a whole lot of fail in that entire story.

Anywho, on that note i'm out.

["A"]

[Brother Michigan]

Counter point:

American cop car: less visible because you shouldn't need to know a cop is there to not act like an idiot. (Of course, if you're not an idiot, it's very easy to spot even unmarked cars.)

[SLOWn60]

You should like cops because I'm bigger than you and if there were no cops I'd take all your stuff and maybe your wife & daughter!

There's good and bad in every group. And in hindsight; we all have made stupid decisions at one time or another. Generally; I'll give a vote of confidence to the police. My main beef is they shouldn't investigate themselves.

[Suki2003]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/our-f...olice-of-2015/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d4f33a026627
http://fox8.com/2015/09/27/kansas-po...-man-to-tears/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/good-cops/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/remin...rld#.or163OPVx

Nope. None.


To me clear i'm not saying what happened here was right or wrong. It may well have been an overreaction but we will never see an unbiased report as that sadly doesn't exist any more.

There was a whole lot of fail in that entire story.

Anywho, on that note i'm out.

OK, you got me. there's like 100 good cops. who need buzzfeed articles to change how the public views them.
I don't like the cops I meet. "heres a big fine for driving faster than some arbitrary speed limit, No there is no hurt party, but you must pay or we will put you in jail."

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by Suki2003

OK, you got me. there's like 100 good cops. who need buzzfeed articles to change how the public views them.
I don't like the cops I meet. "heres a big fine for driving faster than some arbitrary speed limit, No there is no hurt party, but you must pay or we will put you in jail."

Let me pose a little argumentum ad absurdum just for poops and giggles; is it OK to fire a gun into a crowd of people if you don't hit anyone?

["A"]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Counter point:

American cop car: less visible because you shouldn't need to know a cop is there to not act like an idiot. (Of course, if you're not an idiot, it's very easy to spot even unmarked cars.)

I think the point is that police are suppose to serve & protect as priority; catching those breaking the laws are secondary to server & protect.

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by "A"

I think the point is that police are suppose to serve & protect as priority; catching those breaking the laws are secondary to server & protect.

I'd argue that catching those who break the law is an act in service to and for the protection of the community the vast majority of the time.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

I'd argue that catching those who break the law is an act in service to and for the protection of the community the vast majority of the time.

I would agree with this 100% but.... I challenge you to leave your house, drive 20 miles, enter a shopping mall and return home. There is a 99.9% chance that you will break a law somewhere in there. While the intention and prevention is good, it does go too far in far too many cases.