SOS: Help Removing Rear Axle Boly

The_Otter · September 5th, 2013, 05:53 PM

Help!! I am trying to remove the rear axle bolt on my 08 250 but I cant. I need to remove it because the person I bought the bike from bent one of the chain adjuster bolts that are on both sides of the wheel. I ordred all new parts and need to remove the axle bolt so that I can pull the chain adjuster bolt out and replace it. However, when I try to remove it, it wont budge. I tried using a lift, leaving the rear wheel on the ground, had a friend hold a wrench to the bolt head while I used a large socket wrench on the nut, but to no avail! When I try and loosen the nut the whole bolt spins with it. I even wedge a wrench between my bolt and the spool so that trying to loosen it would just push my wrench against the spool and it would get the tiniest bit loose. After wedging the wrench against the spool and around the bolt head, the head started to strip... ARE YOU SERIOUS!? How can that be!? I am out of ideas, and was hoping to fix this myself so I could save some money.

Has this ever happened to anyone and if it did how did you fix it?

The bolt head (chain side) is literally stripping.

Alex · September 5th, 2013, 05:56 PM

Take a picture of what you're trying to do. Have you removed the cotter pin holding the bolt on?

ForceofWill · September 5th, 2013, 05:56 PM

Is the nut still on there and you literally can't loosen it to get it off? Or is the nut off and you just can't get the bolt out of the sleeve? If the later, you're gonna need to take something like a screwdriver and a hammer and press it out from the one side. I had to hammer the crap out of mine to get it out.

bob706 · September 5th, 2013, 05:57 PM

what size wrench/socket are you using? might want to order a new axle

alex.s · September 5th, 2013, 06:00 PM

lefty loose-ey, righty tight-ey.

and then bust out the electric impact wrench

The_Otter · September 5th, 2013, 06:08 PM

Alex, I'm not sure how taking a picture would help but i suppose I could tomorrow in the daylight. Yes I did take the cotter pin out and had my buddy who rides as well come over and he was shocked it wouldn't loosen up.

Forceofwill, I cannot loosen the nut, I would take a sledge hammer to the end of the bolt if thats all that was holding me back, haha.

Bob706, I am not sure of the socket wrench, but my buddy who lent it to me used it on his Ninja, so I'm positive its the right size. Its about a foot long so I definitely think I have enough leverage.

Alex.s, I thought it was the other way around....?

alex.s · September 5th, 2013, 06:10 PM

when looking down on a nut, turning counter clockwise unscrews the nut. clockwise tightens. lefty (at the top) loosey, righty (at the top) tighty.

alex.s · September 5th, 2013, 06:12 PM

maybe some smart guy put red locktite? try hitting the nut with some heat. sometimes if a nut is deteriorated enough (unlikely with a newgen 250 who could be aat most from 2008) the bolt and nut will rust together and actually bond... at that point its easier to just cut the ****er off and replace it with new hardware.

crazymadbastard · September 5th, 2013, 06:12 PM

Yep Alex is wrong. Its righty tight-ey, lefty loose-ey.

The_Otter · September 5th, 2013, 06:12 PM

Alex, I was kidding haha

I am hoping I do not need to buy new hardware, as I already waited a week for the other OEM parts to come in to fix the chain adjuster.

Bones85 · September 5th, 2013, 06:29 PM

Are you using a 24MM (metric) socket or a SAE one?

alex.s · September 5th, 2013, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Otter

Alex, I was kidding haha

I am hoping I do not need to buy new hardware, as I already waited a week for the other OEM parts to come in to fix the chain adjuster.

btw the chain adjust issue you described is caused when the lock nut for the adjuster nut on the adjuster bolt is not properly secured down into the adjuster nut... in other words, there are two nuts on the adjuster bolt. set the first one, then tighten the second one into the first one

... you know, so it doesn't happen again.

The_Otter · September 5th, 2013, 06:47 PM

Bones85, I am not sure what it is, I believe it is mm. But my buddy who let me borrow it races and knows more than enough about his ninja and what tools to give me, so I do not believe he gave me a one that doesnt fit as well.

Everyone, I appreciate all your input guys.

The_Otter · September 5th, 2013, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

btw the chain adjust issue you described is caused when the lock nut for the adjuster nut on the adjuster bolt is not properly secured down into the adjuster nut... in other words, there are two nuts on the adjuster bolt. set the first one, then tighten the second one into the first one

... you know, so it doesn't happen again.

Yup, I was able to read the manual talk to my friend to figure out how the chain adjusters work. The guy I bought the bike from somehow figured out how to bend one of the adjuster bolts (probably during his lowside fall somehow). Cap and the two nuts on the left side arent even there anymore (some of the OEM parts I purchased).

alex.s · September 5th, 2013, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Otter

bend one of the adjuster bolts (probably during his lowside fall somehow). Cap and the two nuts on the left side arent even there anymore (some of the OEM parts I purchased).

it happens when the lock nut isn't tightened properly. the lock nut slides off, then the adjuster nut, then the end cap spins and hits the sprocket nuts, bending the adjuster bolt outward.

The_Otter · September 5th, 2013, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

it happens when the lock nut isn't tightened properly. the lock nut slides off, then the adjuster nut, then the end cap spins and hits the sprocket nuts, bending the adjuster bolt outward.

That must be exactly what happened, because the bolt is bending outwards. That doesn't damage the wheel in the process?

PartsNinja · September 6th, 2013, 05:11 AM

Use a breaker bar to gain more torque. If you have 2 breaker bars, even better, you can have your buddy hold the other nut still while you use your breaker bar to untorque the nut side.

Asspire · September 6th, 2013, 05:31 AM

ummmmm, try this?

lgk · September 6th, 2013, 05:53 AM

Didnt have any trouble with mine.
Get an impact wrench and use it to loosen the nut while your friend holds a breaker against the bolt.

PartsNinja · September 6th, 2013, 05:55 AM

Go find yourself a impact driver at a pawn shop. Got mine for $80 after haggle. You'll use it more than youthink.

CC Cowboy · September 6th, 2013, 07:30 AM

We need more leverage, Scottie, more leverage!

alex.s · September 6th, 2013, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Otter

That must be exactly what happened, because the bolt is bending outwards. That doesn't damage the wheel in the process?

should be fine. but you'll notice if you look at the nuts on your rear chain sprocket, you should see scratches/dings on the sprocket nuts where the plate hit it.

alex.s · September 6th, 2013, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PartsNinja

Go find yourself a impact driver at a pawn shop. Got mine for $80 after haggle. You'll use it more than youthink.

harbor freight. electric impact... $20.

sLick415 · September 6th, 2013, 09:01 AM

This should do the trick.

lgk · September 6th, 2013, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

harbor freight. electric impact... $20.

One of the best deals evar.

The only thing that replaced it was a cordless dewalt impact wrench.

alex.s · September 6th, 2013, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sLick415

This should do the trick.

there are certain bolts (i'm looking at you, inner clutch hub bolt!!!) that just will not come off without an impact. its a very useful tool to own.

Lychee · September 6th, 2013, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sLick415

This should do the trick.

har har har

broilmebk · September 6th, 2013, 11:21 AM

Impact wrench. Has made my life so much easier.

September 5th, 2013, 05:53 PM	#1
The_Otter ninjette.org newbie Name: Eric Location: Hoboken Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 8	SOS: Help Removing Rear Axle Boly Help!! I am trying to remove the rear axle bolt on my 08 250 but I cant. I need to remove it because the person I bought the bike from bent one of the chain adjuster bolts that are on both sides of the wheel. I ordred all new parts and need to remove the axle bolt so that I can pull the chain adjuster bolt out and replace it. However, when I try to remove it, it wont budge. I tried using a lift, leaving the rear wheel on the ground, had a friend hold a wrench to the bolt head while I used a large socket wrench on the nut, but to no avail! When I try and loosen the nut the whole bolt spins with it. I even wedge a wrench between my bolt and the spool so that trying to loosen it would just push my wrench against the spool and it would get the tiniest bit loose. After wedging the wrench against the spool and around the bolt head, the head started to strip... ARE YOU SERIOUS!? How can that be!? I am out of ideas, and was hoping to fix this myself so I could save some money. Has this ever happened to anyone and if it did how did you fix it? The bolt head (chain side) is literally stripping.

September 5th, 2013, 05:56 PM	#2
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Take a picture of what you're trying to do. Have you removed the cotter pin holding the bolt on? __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

September 5th, 2013, 05:57 PM	#4
bob706 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Mary Esther, FL Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 1998 HD Road King Posts: A lot.	what size wrench/socket are you using? might want to order a new axle __________________________________________________ http://sandollarmotorcycleclub.com/

September 5th, 2013, 06:00 PM	#5
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	lefty loose-ey, righty tight-ey. and then bust out the electric impact wrench __________________________________________________

September 5th, 2013, 06:10 PM	#7
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	when looking down on a nut, turning counter clockwise unscrews the nut. clockwise tightens. lefty (at the top) loosey, righty (at the top) tighty. __________________________________________________

September 5th, 2013, 05:56 PM	#3
ForceofWill Blind 250 Loving Whore Name: Tom Location: Chesapeake, VA Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R, 02 FZ1, '20 Fat Bob 114 Posts: A lot.	Is the nut still on there and you literally can't loosen it to get it off? Or is the nut off and you just can't get the bolt out of the sleeve? If the later, you're gonna need to take something like a screwdriver and a hammer and press it out from the one side. I had to hammer the crap out of mine to get it out.

September 5th, 2013, 06:08 PM	#6
The_Otter ninjette.org newbie Name: Eric Location: Hoboken Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 8	Alex, I'm not sure how taking a picture would help but i suppose I could tomorrow in the daylight. Yes I did take the cotter pin out and had my buddy who rides as well come over and he was shocked it wouldn't loosen up. Forceofwill, I cannot loosen the nut, I would take a sledge hammer to the end of the bolt if thats all that was holding me back, haha. Bob706, I am not sure of the socket wrench, but my buddy who lent it to me used it on his Ninja, so I'm positive its the right size. Its about a foot long so I definitely think I have enough leverage. Alex.s, I thought it was the other way around....?

September 5th, 2013, 06:12 PM	#8
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	maybe some smart guy put red locktite? try hitting the nut with some heat. sometimes if a nut is deteriorated enough (unlikely with a newgen 250 who could be aat most from 2008) the bolt and nut will rust together and actually bond... at that point its easier to just cut the ****er off and replace it with new hardware. __________________________________________________

September 5th, 2013, 06:12 PM	#9
crazymadbastard I'm crazy,your excuse is? Name: Winston Location: Connecticut Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250 2007 ninja Posts: A lot.	Yep Alex is wrong. Its righty tight-ey, lefty loose-ey. __________________________________________________ My Cafe Racer Build My intro post

September 5th, 2013, 06:12 PM	#10
The_Otter ninjette.org newbie Name: Eric Location: Hoboken Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 8	Alex, I was kidding haha I am hoping I do not need to buy new hardware, as I already waited a week for the other OEM parts to come in to fix the chain adjuster.

September 5th, 2013, 06:29 PM	#11
Bones85 ninjette.org member Name: Joe Location: Florida Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 206	Are you using a 24MM (metric) socket or a SAE one?

September 5th, 2013, 06:47 PM	#13
The_Otter ninjette.org newbie Name: Eric Location: Hoboken Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R Posts: 8	Bones85, I am not sure what it is, I believe it is mm. But my buddy who let me borrow it races and knows more than enough about his ninja and what tools to give me, so I do not believe he gave me a one that doesnt fit as well. Everyone, I appreciate all your input guys.

September 6th, 2013, 05:11 AM	#17
PartsNinja Ninja Parts Master Name: Dan Location: Houma, Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ducati Streetfighter 1098, 2014 Honda CB1100 Cafe, 2007 SV1000S, Quite a few 2008-2012 Ninja 250s Posts: 366	Use a breaker bar to gain more torque. If you have 2 breaker bars, even better, you can have your buddy hold the other nut still while you use your breaker bar to untorque the nut side. __________________________________________________ Add me on Instagram: @d_jalb Or follow me on eBay: PartsNinja

September 6th, 2013, 05:31 AM	#18
Asspire Fix It Till Ya Break It Name: Asspyre Location: T.Dot Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 08 250RRrrrr Posts: 623	ummmmm, try this?

September 6th, 2013, 05:53 AM	#19
lgk ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Norfolk, VA Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2012 EX250, 2014 EX300 Posts: A lot.	Didnt have any trouble with mine. Get an impact wrench and use it to loosen the nut while your friend holds a breaker against the bolt. __________________________________________________ Ethioknight Memorial Fund- Sticker sale http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=111700

September 6th, 2013, 05:55 AM	#20
PartsNinja Ninja Parts Master Name: Dan Location: Houma, Louisiana Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ducati Streetfighter 1098, 2014 Honda CB1100 Cafe, 2007 SV1000S, Quite a few 2008-2012 Ninja 250s Posts: 366	Go find yourself a impact driver at a pawn shop. Got mine for $80 after haggle. You'll use it more than youthink. __________________________________________________ Add me on Instagram: @d_jalb Or follow me on eBay: PartsNinja

September 6th, 2013, 07:30 AM	#21
CC Cowboy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Whodat Location: Ware Is.,MA Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): I pass the wind! Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '13, Jun '14	We need more leverage, Scottie, more leverage! __________________________________________________ If everything seems under control; you're just not going fast enough!

September 6th, 2013, 09:01 AM	#24
sLick415 ninjette.org guru Name: Danny Location: San Francisco, CA Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 263	This should do the trick.

September 6th, 2013, 11:21 AM	#28
broilmebk ninjette.org sage Name: Brian Location: Orange County, CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): '12 ninja 250r Posts: 762	Impact wrench. Has made my life so much easier.

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