Kawasaki Faces N.H.T.S.A. Inquiry Over Possible Stalling Issue - ECU Recall

Somchai · July 6th, 2013, 11:42 PM

Maybe the guys and gals with the 300 should follow this http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013...talling-issue/

From Germany there is no prob known with this issue until now.
Maybe they have a different mapping what would make sense b/c there is no speed limit and so the setup could be more rich.

Racer x · July 7th, 2013, 04:26 AM

18 complaints out of 10000 bikes. I wonder how many Harley's stall?

The article says the 300 replaces the carb 250. The 250 in Germany is FI and the carb 250 is lean and stalls all over town when it's cold.

This new 300 seems deadly. Everyone should give them to me

CC Cowboy · July 7th, 2013, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

18 complaints out of 10000 bikes. I wonder how many Harley's stall?

The article says the 300 replaces the carb 250. The 250 in Germany is FI and the carb 250 is lean and stalls all over town when it's cold.

This new 300 seems deadly. Everyone should give them to me

Not only do my Harleys never stall but you don't even have to give it any gas when letting the clutch out.

Boom King · July 7th, 2013, 09:04 AM

18 complaints that owners actually filed with the agency and are being investigated and if you look at the pdf link, it seems that the agency also browsed through forum postings and also used their own field research. If you go to the NHTSA complaints database and look under Ninja 300 and EX300, right now there are actually 35 owner filed complaints all about the stalling issue.

The Honda CBR250 also has a stalling issue for some but it doesn't look like there are enough filed complaints or for whatever other reasons, the agency has not decided to investigate.

c-dog · July 7th, 2013, 10:05 AM

I know that Jiggles was having this happen with his. He didn't seem to happy about it. I think it went away for him though. Also some guy on Youtube demonstrates this. I foresee a recall and new ecu or flashed ecu?

I had my 300 for 600 miles before trading it in. Never had a stall with it. I did the precautionary throttle blipping when coming to a stop. I was always a little afraid it would do it to me someday at a stoplight, then I might get rear-ended.

Tigerpaw · July 7th, 2013, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

18 complaints out of 10000 bikes. I wonder how many Harley's stall?

The article says the 300 replaces the carb 250. The 250 in Germany is FI and the carb 250 is lean and stalls all over town when it's cold.

This new 300 seems deadly. Everyone should give them to me

Mine has never stalled. But this inquiry sounds super serious. I'm afraid to ride it to you. Will you send shipping funds, I will do the rest. PM sent.

Racer x · July 7th, 2013, 02:16 PM

I don't have pay pal so I sent cash

I wounded if the CR special carbs would fix this.

Motofool · July 8th, 2013, 01:59 PM

I knew that all this new technology was a bad thing.

If it cannot be solved with a hammer, is an electrical problem.

felo · July 8th, 2013, 02:10 PM

the stalling issue and the crap steering stem bearing are the 2 biggests complains the 300 has right now...

Tigerpaw · July 8th, 2013, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by felo

the stalling issue and the crap steering stem bearing are the 2 biggests complains the 300 has right now...

I thought @old3 was the only one unhappy with the bearings...?

old3 · July 8th, 2013, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerpaw

I thought @old3 was the only one unhappy with the bearings...?

I think the documented bearing failures have at least doubled the stall reports!

choneofakind · July 8th, 2013, 04:54 PM

@old3, I'm still trying to figure out if you like the fuelmoto thingy, the bearings, or the saddle better.

ninjamunky85 · July 8th, 2013, 04:55 PM

I only had mine stall once, or maybe twice, that was in the first few weeks of ownership. Haven't had a problem since then.

thisisbenji · July 8th, 2013, 05:24 PM

My 250 stalled just about once a week and wouldn't start back up for the a good hour afterwards. None of the shops I took it to could find a cause. I just kind of figured stalling was part of the game.

ninjamunky85 · July 8th, 2013, 05:27 PM

Uhhh, no that's not normal.

Aggrotech · July 8th, 2013, 05:35 PM

my friends 300 stalled multiple times, always at a stop, just before take off.

She always thought she was doin somethin wrong lol. Every time i rode around on it, it never seemed to happen though. so nabby rider error or just bad luck on her part, who knows :O

old3 · July 8th, 2013, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

@old3, I'm still trying to figure out if you like the fuelmoto thingy, the bearings, or the saddle better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8tVxk6Nj4

choneofakind · July 8th, 2013, 06:05 PM

but so far, I like my bearings

beazy411 · July 8th, 2013, 07:45 PM

I haven't had mine stall on me unless it was something I did, like not giving it enough gas whilst letting out the clutch.

algs26 · August 3rd, 2013, 08:56 PM

Check your vin folks. Mine's affected.

http://www.kawasaki.com/DefaultFrame...OSEVEHICLE.ASP

Copied pdf text from another forum
The reason for this notice:
Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. has decided that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in 2013 Ninja 300 & 300 ABS (EX300AD/ADFA/ADFAL/ADFL, EX300BDFAL) models. On eligible units, the vehicle may stall under deceleration due to an improper setting of
the Electronic Control Unit (ECU). This could create the potential for a crash, resulting in injury or death. Our records indicate that you have purchased one of these units.

Alex · August 3rd, 2013, 09:00 PM

Thanks for the link; it looks like our bike is included in the recall as well. We haven't experienced the stalling problem, so I'm not terribly concerned, but will get it into the shop at some point.

Byakkotai · August 3rd, 2013, 09:32 PM

Was at the dealer today - service writer told me to bring my bike in so they could verify if my ECU had some sort of "blue" mark on the ECU itself or something before they order the part

Welp, seeing as how service is closed tomorrow, I guess I'll find out next Saturday - had fun sitting on a few bikes though

rojoracing53 · August 3rd, 2013, 09:59 PM

Rode jiggles 300 today, in 5 minutes the motor died with the clutch in as I came to a stop 5 separate times. For a skilled rider it's a bit more then an annoyance but for a new rider it's a good way to get rear ended when that traffic light turns green before you come to a stop and the car behind you assumes you going to get on the throttle.

It seems to only stall if you pull the clutch in and downshift multiple gears as you come to a stop without releasing the clutch(fuel conserving style). If your being aggressive and re-engaging the clutch with each shift then the rpms wont drop and the motor wont stall. It's just a simple fuel mapping issue that's not hard to fix if they just flash the ecu.

I can think of several scenarios where this could happen at just the wrong time and get you T-boned by a car because you planned on accelerating and couldn't.

I tried to make a quick left into a parking lot between a gap in a line of moving cars. I was originally planning on stopping in my lane and waiting so I had already shifted to 1st and was coasting at 2-3mph. Then one of the cars hesitated a moment so I decided to shift to 2nd and smoothy slip the clutch thought the turn since it would be smoother then revving out 1st. So as I tipped it into the corner and gave it throttle I was surprised with zero acceleration because of kawisaki's F***ing positive neutral finder. With no acceleration to pull me through the turn the bike continued to fall over until I caught it with my foot. So now I'm stop dead center of traffic in neutral with the driver I just turned in front of waiting and looking at me like I'm a F***ing retarded noob. If you guys didn't know this already I F***ing hate all these stupid rider/driving aids they keep adding to motorcycles and cars. They just get in the way of those of us who really know how to ride and drive just to keep someone who probably shouldn't be riding or behind the wheel in the first place. Sorry if this hurt anyone's feeling

Galaxieman · August 3rd, 2013, 10:24 PM

Rojo... you mean like the slipper clutch that's completely unnecessary on a 300cc bike? I hear ya on the 'idiot proofing'.

tfkrocks · August 4th, 2013, 01:41 AM

Huh, guess my bike falls under the recall for both the ABS and ECU, but I don't think that's really an issue for me right now

rojoracing53 · August 4th, 2013, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfkrocks

Huh, guess my bike falls under the recall for both the ABS and ECU, but I don't think that's really an issue for me right now

Yeah but is your abs had been working properly you would have been able to properly stop in time to avoid the car. Sounds like Kawasaki is at falt for your crash, tell them you want a new bike

tfkrocks · August 4th, 2013, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Yeah but is your abs had been working properly you would have been able to properly stop in time to avoid the car. Sounds like Kawasaki is at falt for your crash, tell them you want a new bike

Sounds like a plan

CycleCam303 · August 4th, 2013, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Rode jiggles 300 today, in 5 minutes the motor died with the clutch in as I came to a stop 5 separate times. For a skilled rider it's a bit more then an annoyance but for a new rider it's a good way to get rear ended when that traffic light turns green before you come to a stop and the car behind you assumes you going to get on the throttle.

It seems to only stall if you pull the clutch in and downshift multiple gears as you come to a stop without releasing the clutch(fuel conserving style). If your being aggressive and re-engaging the clutch with each shift then the rpms wont drop and the motor wont stall. It's just a simple fuel mapping issue that's not hard to fix if they just flash the ecu.

I can think of several scenarios where this could happen at just the wrong time and get you T-boned by a car because you planned on accelerating and couldn't.

I tried to make a quick left into a parking lot between a gap in a line of moving cars. I was originally planning on stopping in my lane and waiting so I had already shifted to 1st and was coasting at 2-3mph. Then one of the cars hesitated a moment so I decided to shift to 2nd and smoothy slip the clutch thought the turn since it would be smoother then revving out 1st. So as I tipped it into the corner and gave it throttle I was surprised with zero acceleration because of kawisaki's F***ing positive neutral finder. With no acceleration to pull me through the turn the bike continued to fall over until I caught it with my foot. So now I'm stop dead center of traffic in neutral with the driver I just turned in front of waiting and looking at me like I'm a F***ing retarded noob. If you guys didn't know this already I F***ing hate all these stupid rider/driving aids they keep adding to motorcycles and cars. They just get in the way of those of us who really know how to ride and drive just to keep someone who probably shouldn't be riding or behind the wheel in the first place. Sorry if this hurt anyone's feeling

No wonder his girl doesn't want to ride. That's no fun. Aside from it embarrassing you what did you think of it?

rojoracing53 · August 4th, 2013, 10:41 AM

Take a look at 5:20 in this video, that's whats going to happen.

Link to original page on YouTube.

rojoracing53 · August 4th, 2013, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CycleCam303

No wonder his girl doesn't want to ride. That's no fun. Aside from it embarrassing you what did you think of it?

If it didn't look like such a ****ing ugly Kawasaki I would have loved to have gotten that instead of the 250. The power is noticeably better and the Transmission is very smooth but everything else the sucks about the 250 still suck on the 300. End result yes its a better bike with no disadvantageous compared to the 250 but why would anyone think anything else right.

willis9076 · August 4th, 2013, 11:09 AM

Not sure if this would help, but I have a '12 250 carbureted with 17k miles and my bike would have the exact same stalling issues as the 300. I watched the YouTube video and my bike would do exactly the same thing.

It all started after I got my valves adjusted a little over a month ago. At first I thought the shop messed with my carbs or some how changed my float bowl levels because it would happen as i was pulling in the clutch and coming to a stop. This would always happen when the bike was cold and choke fully on and rarely but occasionaly with the bike warm and choke off. It turns out that all my carb settings were spot on.

So with the help of this forum and since I wanted to check the work of the shop, I decided to learn how to do the adjustment myself. It turns out that the shop had set my exhaust valves way too tight. I had to loosen each exhaust valve by 0.20mm. After that my bike runs perfect. It fixed my stalling issue and and an issue where my bike would randomly idle at at 3-4k.

So my thinking is that the factory could have set the 300 with too tight exhaust valves and it might be causing the stalling problem. Since the 300s are pretty new it is still too early to be checking the valve clearance.

Hopefully this info might help someone.

Tj Hunter · August 5th, 2013, 09:40 AM

Just recieved this tip from my favorite shop in Mankato, MN - STARR Cycle!

We just receive a safety recall bulletin affecting all Ninja300, 300/abs models. MC 13-02

On eligible units, the vehicle may stall under decel due to an improper setting of the ECU. Could cause potential for a crash. The letter sent to customers includes DO NOT RIDE UNIT UNTIL REPAIRED. If YOU replaced the ECU previous to the letter to correct a problem related to this, you may be partially/fully reimbursed.

A BLUE DOT NEXT TO THE PART NUMBER ON THE ECU INDICATES A REPROGRAMMED ECU.

Tj Hunter · August 5th, 2013, 09:40 AM

Just recieved this tip from my favorite shop in Mankato, MN - STARR Cycle!

We just receive a safety recall bulletin affecting all Ninja300, 300/abs models. MC 13-02

On eligible units, the vehicle may stall under decel due to an improper setting of the ECU. Could cause potential for a crash. The letter sent to customers includes DO NOT RIDE UNIT UNTIL REPAIRED. If YOU replaced the ECU previous to the letter to correct a problem related to this, you may be partially/fully reimbursed.

A BLUE DOT NEXT TO THE PART NUMBER ON THE ECU INDICATES A REPROGRAMMED ECU.

LNasty · August 5th, 2013, 10:06 AM

Oh so they replace the 13' ecu, but have to go through hell just to get my 12's cdi fixed?!? God I hate Kawasaki

Byakkotai · August 5th, 2013, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tj Hunter

A BLUE DOT NEXT TO THE PART NUMBER ON THE ECU INDICATES A REPROGRAMMED ECU.

So that's what the service writer was trying to tell me about the "blue dot". Well that clears things up

Alex · August 5th, 2013, 01:09 PM

/multiple recall threads merged

Tj Hunter · August 5th, 2013, 01:38 PM

Also this came out too:

ALL ABS UNITS FALL UNDER AN ABS RECALL MC 13-01

Some ABS hydraulic unit may have been contaminated with debris during manufacturing. THIS CAN CAUSE THE UNIT TO MALFUNCTION AND CAUSE UNEXPECTED FUNCTION CREATING POTENTIAL FOR A CRASH.

all units must have the hydraulic units production numbers verified and replaced if they fall within range.

As previous, this is a DO NOT RIDE UNTIL VERIFIED SAFE.

Alex · August 5th, 2013, 01:50 PM

Link to ABS recall thread

DarkNinja52 · August 7th, 2013, 05:46 PM

Called my Kawi Dealer, gave the vin, said they'll order the ECU and call me in a week.

Fairly easy so far.

allanoue · August 9th, 2013, 05:25 PM

I got a letter today telling me not to ride until I get my ECU replaced. 4000 miles and it stalled once at the end of my driveway. 200 miles ago I installed the area-P pack.

What do you folks think I should do?

July 6th, 2013, 11:42 PM	#1
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July 7th, 2013, 04:26 AM	#2
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July 8th, 2013, 01:59 PM	#8
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choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	@old3, I'm still trying to figure out if you like the fuelmoto thingy, the bearings, or the saddle better.
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July 7th, 2013, 09:04 AM	#4
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	18 complaints that owners actually filed with the agency and are being investigated and if you look at the pdf link, it seems that the agency also browsed through forum postings and also used their own field research. If you go to the NHTSA complaints database and look under Ninja 300 and EX300, right now there are actually 35 owner filed complaints all about the stalling issue. The Honda CBR250 also has a stalling issue for some but it doesn't look like there are enough filed complaints or for whatever other reasons, the agency has not decided to investigate.

July 7th, 2013, 10:05 AM	#5
c-dog ninjette.org sage Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: 591	I know that Jiggles was having this happen with his. He didn't seem to happy about it. I think it went away for him though. Also some guy on Youtube demonstrates this. I foresee a recall and new ecu or flashed ecu? I had my 300 for 600 miles before trading it in. Never had a stall with it. I did the precautionary throttle blipping when coming to a stop. I was always a little afraid it would do it to me someday at a stoplight, then I might get rear-ended.

July 8th, 2013, 02:10 PM	#9
felo ninjette.org member Name: Carlos Location: Puerto Rico Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300R Posts: 181	the stalling issue and the crap steering stem bearing are the 2 biggests complains the 300 has right now...

July 8th, 2013, 04:55 PM	#13
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	I only had mine stall once, or maybe twice, that was in the first few weeks of ownership. Haven't had a problem since then. __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

July 8th, 2013, 05:24 PM	#14
thisisbenji ninjette.org sage Name: Benji Location: Wadsworth, IL Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Sold), 2009 FZ6, 2015 Honda Grom Posts: 898	My 250 stalled just about once a week and wouldn't start back up for the a good hour afterwards. None of the shops I took it to could find a cause. I just kind of figured stalling was part of the game. __________________________________________________ My Old Bike My New Bike

July 8th, 2013, 05:27 PM	#15
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	Uhhh, no that's not normal. __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

July 8th, 2013, 05:35 PM	#16
Aggrotech ninjette.org sage Name: Justin Location: Fresno CA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 12' Ninja 250 Posts: 831	my friends 300 stalled multiple times, always at a stop, just before take off. She always thought she was doin somethin wrong lol. Every time i rode around on it, it never seemed to happen though. so nabby rider error or just bad luck on her part, who knows :O

July 8th, 2013, 06:05 PM	#18
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	but so far, I like my bearings

July 8th, 2013, 07:45 PM	#19
beazy411 ninjette.org member Name: Aaron Location: New Orleans Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 159	I haven't had mine stall on me unless it was something I did, like not giving it enough gas whilst letting out the clutch. __________________________________________________ ~B.

August 3rd, 2013, 08:56 PM	#20
algs26 ninjette.org guru Name: al Location: NorCal Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): ex300, gave up looking for a 250 Posts: 435	Check your vin folks. Mine's affected. http://www.kawasaki.com/DefaultFrame...OSEVEHICLE.ASP Copied pdf text from another forum The reason for this notice: Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. has decided that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in 2013 Ninja 300 & 300 ABS (EX300AD/ADFA/ADFAL/ADFL, EX300BDFAL) models. On eligible units, the vehicle may stall under deceleration due to an improper setting of the Electronic Control Unit (ECU). This could create the potential for a crash, resulting in injury or death. Our records indicate that you have purchased one of these units. Last futzed with by algs26; August 3rd, 2013 at 09:55 PM. Reason: typo
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August 3rd, 2013, 09:00 PM	#21
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Thanks for the link; it looks like our bike is included in the recall as well. We haven't experienced the stalling problem, so I'm not terribly concerned, but will get it into the shop at some point. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 3rd, 2013, 09:32 PM	#22
Byakkotai ninjette.org guru Name: Roger Location: NorCali - East Bay Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 White Ninja 300 Posts: 379	Was at the dealer today - service writer told me to bring my bike in so they could verify if my ECU had some sort of "blue" mark on the ECU itself or something before they order the part Welp, seeing as how service is closed tomorrow, I guess I'll find out next Saturday - had fun sitting on a few bikes though

August 3rd, 2013, 09:59 PM	#23
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Rode jiggles 300 today, in 5 minutes the motor died with the clutch in as I came to a stop 5 separate times. For a skilled rider it's a bit more then an annoyance but for a new rider it's a good way to get rear ended when that traffic light turns green before you come to a stop and the car behind you assumes you going to get on the throttle. It seems to only stall if you pull the clutch in and downshift multiple gears as you come to a stop without releasing the clutch(fuel conserving style). If your being aggressive and re-engaging the clutch with each shift then the rpms wont drop and the motor wont stall. It's just a simple fuel mapping issue that's not hard to fix if they just flash the ecu. I can think of several scenarios where this could happen at just the wrong time and get you T-boned by a car because you planned on accelerating and couldn't. I tried to make a quick left into a parking lot between a gap in a line of moving cars. I was originally planning on stopping in my lane and waiting so I had already shifted to 1st and was coasting at 2-3mph. Then one of the cars hesitated a moment so I decided to shift to 2nd and smoothy slip the clutch thought the turn since it would be smoother then revving out 1st. So as I tipped it into the corner and gave it throttle I was surprised with zero acceleration because of kawisaki's F*ing positive neutral finder. With no acceleration to pull me through the turn the bike continued to fall over until I caught it with my foot. So now I'm stop dead center of traffic in neutral with the driver I just turned in front of waiting and looking at me like I'm a Fing retarded noob. If you guys didn't know this already I F**ing hate all these stupid rider/driving aids they keep adding to motorcycles and cars. They just get in the way of those of us who really know how to ride and drive just to keep someone who probably shouldn't be riding or behind the wheel in the first place. Sorry if this hurt anyone's feeling
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August 3rd, 2013, 10:24 PM	#24
Galaxieman ninjette.org member Name: Jim Location: Schofield Barracks, HI Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250, 2009 Concours 14 Posts: 130	Rojo... you mean like the slipper clutch that's completely unnecessary on a 300cc bike? I hear ya on the 'idiot proofing'. __________________________________________________ Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparat bellum...

August 4th, 2013, 01:41 AM	#25
tfkrocks ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rebecca Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 w/ ABS, 2014 NC700X, 2008 Ninja 250 (sold), 2002 Ninja 250 (sold) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '18, Sep '13	Huh, guess my bike falls under the recall for both the ABS and ECU, but I don't think that's really an issue for me right now

August 4th, 2013, 10:41 AM	#29
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Take a look at 5:20 in this video, that's whats going to happen. Link to original page on YouTube.

August 4th, 2013, 11:09 AM	#31
willis9076 ninjette.org member Name: Henry Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 250R Posts: 37	Not sure if this would help, but I have a '12 250 carbureted with 17k miles and my bike would have the exact same stalling issues as the 300. I watched the YouTube video and my bike would do exactly the same thing. It all started after I got my valves adjusted a little over a month ago. At first I thought the shop messed with my carbs or some how changed my float bowl levels because it would happen as i was pulling in the clutch and coming to a stop. This would always happen when the bike was cold and choke fully on and rarely but occasionaly with the bike warm and choke off. It turns out that all my carb settings were spot on. So with the help of this forum and since I wanted to check the work of the shop, I decided to learn how to do the adjustment myself. It turns out that the shop had set my exhaust valves way too tight. I had to loosen each exhaust valve by 0.20mm. After that my bike runs perfect. It fixed my stalling issue and and an issue where my bike would randomly idle at at 3-4k. So my thinking is that the factory could have set the 300 with too tight exhaust valves and it might be causing the stalling problem. Since the 300s are pretty new it is still too early to be checking the valve clearance. Hopefully this info might help someone.

August 5th, 2013, 09:40 AM	#32
Tj Hunter ninjette.org member Name: CRA MN #933 Location: Baxter, MN Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 track, GSXRSV650 DD/Track Rat Posts: 38	2013 Ninja 300 Recall - ECU REPLACEMENT Just recieved this tip from my favorite shop in Mankato, MN - STARR Cycle! We just receive a safety recall bulletin affecting all Ninja300, 300/abs models. MC 13-02 On eligible units, the vehicle may stall under decel due to an improper setting of the ECU. Could cause potential for a crash. The letter sent to customers includes DO NOT RIDE UNIT UNTIL REPAIRED. If YOU replaced the ECU previous to the letter to correct a problem related to this, you may be partially/fully reimbursed. A BLUE DOT NEXT TO THE PART NUMBER ON THE ECU INDICATES A REPROGRAMMED ECU.

August 5th, 2013, 09:40 AM	#33
Tj Hunter ninjette.org member Name: CRA MN #933 Location: Baxter, MN Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 track, GSXRSV650 DD/Track Rat Posts: 38	2013 Ninja 300 Recall ECU REPLACEMENT Just recieved this tip from my favorite shop in Mankato, MN - STARR Cycle! We just receive a safety recall bulletin affecting all Ninja300, 300/abs models. MC 13-02 On eligible units, the vehicle may stall under decel due to an improper setting of the ECU. Could cause potential for a crash. The letter sent to customers includes DO NOT RIDE UNIT UNTIL REPAIRED. If YOU replaced the ECU previous to the letter to correct a problem related to this, you may be partially/fully reimbursed. A BLUE DOT NEXT TO THE PART NUMBER ON THE ECU INDICATES A REPROGRAMMED ECU.

August 5th, 2013, 10:06 AM	#34
LNasty Daily Jap rider Name: Lance Location: La Porte Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r Posts: A lot.	Oh so they replace the 13' ecu, but have to go through hell just to get my 12's cdi fixed?!? God I hate Kawasaki

August 5th, 2013, 01:09 PM	#36
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	/multiple recall threads merged __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 5th, 2013, 01:38 PM	#37
Tj Hunter ninjette.org member Name: CRA MN #933 Location: Baxter, MN Join Date: Feb 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 track, GSXRSV650 DD/Track Rat Posts: 38	Also this came out too: ALL ABS UNITS FALL UNDER AN ABS RECALL MC 13-01 Some ABS hydraulic unit may have been contaminated with debris during manufacturing. THIS CAN CAUSE THE UNIT TO MALFUNCTION AND CAUSE UNEXPECTED FUNCTION CREATING POTENTIAL FOR A CRASH. all units must have the hydraulic units production numbers verified and replaced if they fall within range. As previous, this is a DO NOT RIDE UNTIL VERIFIED SAFE.

August 5th, 2013, 01:50 PM	#38
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Link to ABS recall thread __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

August 7th, 2013, 05:46 PM	#39
DarkNinja52 ninjette.org sage Name: aj Location: New York / PA Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): Red 09 Ninja 250r aka Sheila (RIP), Red '10 Ninja 250r aka Sasha (Sold), White '13 Ninja 300 (To be Purchased) Posts: 855	Called my Kawi Dealer, gave the vin, said they'll order the ECU and call me in a week. Fairly easy so far. __________________________________________________

August 9th, 2013, 05:25 PM	#40
allanoue ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Al Location: York, Pa Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300..............2008 Ninja 500-sold...2009 Ninja 250-Crashed Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '14	I got a letter today telling me not to ride until I get my ECU replaced. 4000 miles and it stalled once at the end of my driveway. 200 miles ago I installed the area-P pack. What do you folks think I should do?

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