[visordown.com] - Supercharged Ninja H2 launch this month

[alex.s]

fair enough

[Sirref]

Originally Posted by alex.s

supercharged street legal 636?

where do i sign up?

seconded, I would rock one of those so much quicker than a 1000cc supercharged bike

[c-dog]

Originally Posted by LittleRedNinjette

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. I love it!

I like it too. It goes really into the exotic look department for looks. Like mentioned above, very fast and powerful new cars have similar pointy strange Carbon Fiber looks.

It looks very futuristic to me. And lots of people in general think sport bikes look silly/ugly - ask some non-riders.

Originally Posted by jenkem

I'm pretty stoked. Kawasaki isn't usually my favorite cup of tea but they're being innovative and raising the bar.

I agree. And if no one innovates or pushes the boundaries we will have very generic bikes and things won't change very much. Recently it seems companies are releasing some innovative things - Grom, FZ-09, FZ-07, RC390. More choices and more variety. This is great. The industry seems to be trying some new strategies. This new bike is impressive. Looks might not be everyones cup of tea.

I would get one - but it would be overkill for me and out of my price range. That said - when is the next Kawasaki test ride?

[Skullz]

Hell with the damn hype, i want to see some videos in ACTION!!!!!

[xorbe]

Nice comments from AutoBlog:

Kawasaki will only be offering up to 6 month financing. They don't expect the average rider to last longer than that ...

Comes with included carbon fiber casket.

Starring in the next installment of Red Asphalt.

[snot]

She is pretty! I want!

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by tfkrocks

Not a fan of the looks. I'd constantly be afraid of snapping off the silly wings, not that I have the money for something like this anyway.

The wings are made of carbon fiber, have fun trying to snap them.

[LittleRedNinjette]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

The wings are made of carbon fiber, have fun trying to snap them.

Its carbon fiber, not adamantium.

[garth285]

Who says carbon wont crack lol...

[Hero Danny]

I would be very surprised if carbon fiber would crack from a parking lot drop. If you meant "crash" then that's completely different..

[LittleRedNinjette]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I would be very surprised if carbon fiber would crack from a parking lot drop. If you meant "crash" then that's completely different..

I wouldn't.

[Brother Michigan]

Carbon fiber is strong for its weight; big caveat. It is not some miracle material that is thousands of times stronger than steel, magnesium, or aluminum (the metals it most typically replaces). In addition, it is brittle and its strength is highly directional, depending on the particular weave of the carbon fibers and how it is molded.

[BlownWideOpen]

My buddy nicked his carbon hood w a screwdriver and it cracked. It's not magical.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Qomomoko

still trouble posting videos jajaj

How to post videos on this site

[LittleRedNinjette]

Originally Posted by BlownWideOpen

My buddy nicked his carbon hood w a screwdriver and it cracked. It's not magical.

Had similar problems with a CF hood on my old car.

[Hero Danny]

[BlownWideOpen]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

That chart just echoes this:

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Carbon fiber is strong for its weight; big caveat. It is not some miracle material that is thousands of times stronger than steel, magnesium, or aluminum (the metals it most typically replaces). In addition, it is brittle and its strength is highly directional, depending on the particular weave of the carbon fibers and how it is molded.

[Brother Michigan]

Congratulations, it's a graph with no vertical axis label. Considering it shows "woods" as being greater than "steels" in some nebulous measurement, I'm going to assume it has no bearing on this conversation (unless, of course, you're suggesting we should have been building motorcycles out of wood this whole time. How misguided we've been!)

*EDIT* Looking at the source of that image, Artie is exactly correct. Evidently this chart shows "specific strength", which is tensile strength divided by density. Whoever made that graph needs to go back to grade school, though; graphs need axes, otherwise they're useless.

[tfkrocks]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

The wings are made of carbon fiber, have fun trying to snap them.

I had a carbon fiber slip-on where the hanger was riveted to the top of the can rather than wrapping around the whole thing (Scorpion slip-on if you wanted to look up a picture). When I crashed, the hanger ripped right out at where it was joined. It was the carbon fiber that ripped. Carbon fiber doesn't have magical properties.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Congratulations, it's a graph with no vertical axis label. Considering it shows "woods" as being greater than "steels" in some nebulous measurement, I'm going to assume it has no bearing on this conversation (unless, of course, you're suggesting we should have been building motorcycles out of wood this whole time. How misguided we've been!)

*EDIT* Looking at the source of that image, Artie is exactly correct. Evidently this chart shows "specific strength", which is tensile strength divided by density. Whoever made that graph needs to go back to grade school, though; graphs need axes, otherwise they're useless.

Wood is stronger than steel and concrete when you compare it by weight.

I agree about the graph not being great, but it is just a bar graph, relax.

[250rr]

Supercharged motorcycle. What's not to like?

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Wood is stronger than steel and concrete when you compare it by weight.

Sounds an awful lot like another point made in this thread.

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Carbon fiber is strong for its weight; big caveat.

[Redgeneral]

http://theawesomer.com/2015-kawasaki-ninja-h2r/294100/

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

Sounds an awful lot like another point made in this thread.

I get your point, but still, plastic fairings break very easily. Where as carbon fiber doesn't.

I would be surprised if these fairings would crack like plastic ones in a parking lot drop. I actually would be surprised if they broke at all, aside from scratches and other minor damages

[BlownWideOpen]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I get your point, but still, plastic fairings break very easily. Where as carbon fiber doesn't.

I would be surprised if these fairings would crack like plastic ones in a parking lot drop. I actually would be surprised if they broke at all, aside from scratches and other minor damages

You sure stand by what you feel, is right.

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I get your point, but still, plastic fairings break very easily. Where as carbon fiber doesn't.

I would be surprised if these fairings would crack like plastic ones in a parking lot drop. I actually would be surprised if they broke at all, aside from scratches and other minor damages

[BlownWideOpen]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

[Hero Danny]

Here's what we'll do. When the H2 comes out we will both buy one together, (cost 50/50) then we will take it and drop it, if the carbon fiber panel cracks, you keep the bike and I'm out 50% of the cost of the bike. If it doesn't crack then I keep the bike.

Sound good?

[csmith12]

Danny, you put a lot of faith in things. Not sure I would gamble the questionable 10k on such things.

[Sirref]

you're also assuming that the roadgoing version will be carbon fiber as well

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Here's what we'll do. When the H2 comes out we will both buy one together, (cost 50/50) then we will take it and drop it, if the carbon fiber panel cracks, you keep the bike and I'm out 50% of the cost of the bike. If it doesn't crack then I keep the bike.

Sound good?

Deal

[choneofakind]

Danny. You're wrong.


Carbon can be very strong. If it's laid such that the strands are in line with the force and therefore keep the strands under tension, is very very strong.


If you apply compression, it flops. If you apply bending, it will bend to a point. Then it snaps. It's not very elastic, it's actually quite brittle under non-tensile forces. That's why people who design around carbon need to know exactly what forces they're expecting and how to arange the carbon weave so that there is some amount of material under tension for each encountered force.

Wings intended for aero and heat removal will simply NOT support the bike if it tips. They will snap off when they hit the ground. Carbon is worse than plastic in that manner. Plastic is able to deform highly and flex when it hits the ground. Carbon is rigid (because of the layup I mentioned above that keeps tension in the part) and the impact will break those parts. They're just expensive dingleberries waiting to be turned into insurance claims

[xorbe]

Someone on the viffer forum claims to have seen invoice pricing on the H2R and H2 (60 and 30). For 30, surely you can buy a brand new ZX10R and add a sc for less than 18.

[Jono]

^^^
I don't believe those prices! If they want 30k for the road version it better come with 300HP.

[subxero]

Originally Posted by xorbe

Someone on the viffer forum claims to have seen invoice pricing on the H2R and H2 (60 and 30). For 30, surely you can buy a brand new ZX10R and add a sc for less than 18.

That echo's what some random interwebz "know-it-all" said on another site i was checking out.

$32k for the street version. He didn't list where he found the prices though so take it for what you want

[CZroe]

Knowing that this thing is "engineered beyond belief," would it be silly of me to go on thinking that they deliberately designed that front profile to look like a samurai helmet?!

OK. That's it exactly. They weren't going for aerodynamics or heat exchange: They were making a samurai for our Ninja's to clash with.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Danny. You're wrong.


Carbon can be very strong. If it's laid such that the strands are in line with the force and therefore keep the strands under tension, is very very strong.


If you apply compression, it flops. If you apply bending, it will bend to a point. Then it snaps. It's not very elastic, it's actually quite brittle under non-tensile forces. That's why people who design around carbon need to know exactly what forces they're expecting and how to arange the carbon weave so that there is some amount of material under tension for each encountered force.

Wings intended for aero and heat removal will simply NOT support the bike if it tips. They will snap off when they hit the ground. Carbon is worse than plastic in that manner. Plastic is able to deform highly and flex when it hits the ground. Carbon is rigid (because of the layup I mentioned above that keeps tension in the part) and the impact will break those parts. They're just expensive dingleberries waiting to be turned into insurance claims

Well said, thanks for stopping me from dropping 10k on a bet lol

[cadd]

I owned a carbon bike (human powered). Any crash, you better inspect for hairline cracks. With steel, failure comes slowly, it'll start to bend for days/weeks/months before a catastrophic failure. With carbon, it's a different story. Carbon will crack without warning. 20mph crash (bicycle that weighed 17.5lbs). Front carbon fork snapped. There goes $400.

450lbs bike dropped at parking lots speeds. Probably similar force as the bicycle crash. It'll probably crack.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by Jono

^^^
I don't believe those prices! If they want 30k for the road version it better come with 300HP.

I agree completely. I bet you that the track version will be 26k and the street version will be 18k.

I changed my mind, I don't think the street version will have cf panels.

[Rustitution]

I think 28K is to low this is going to be hyper car territory for motorcyles, this thing is litterally comparable to the Ford Cobra Jet and the Ferrari 599XX or the FXX Evo, being limited to track use only, limited production because they can. I would expect a stupid price tag upwards of 40K for several reasons. One the materials are top notch and the engineering is something we haven't really seen yet. This is an exclusive machine and will be collector status so that will drive the price up. And Kawasaki won't want everyone picking this up.

My predictions are 49,990 for the H2R given its status. The street legal one I would put around 24,990 assuming they keep at as 1L bike, if it drops down to a 3 cylinder model like a 636 (or I would like a 666) then 19,990 but hey my