[visordown.com] - Supercharged Ninja H2 launch this month - Page 6

rgx107 · October 2nd, 2014, 12:04 PM

Do I understand it right that the frame is made of steel? Or aluminium. And intended to be flexible and stable for high-speed riding. I thought stiffer was better at high speeds. My interpretation: they selected a manufacturing method that is cheaper/easier for small volumes. Just need to set up a shop with a frame jig.

And the fuel tank seems tiny. Perhaps 10 L. If my fuel gauge starts flashing with 3.5 L remaining, corresponding to almost 100 km range, the fuel gauge on the H2 will flash as you exit from the gas station after a fill-up.

One might also wonder at which tracks you would benefit from 300 hp. As I understand it even MotoGP stopped long ago trying to get the most hp from the engines, since they are at max throttle with no restriction from traction control only a few seconds per lap. Instead it's all about finding a combination of engine and traction control that gives best drive out of the turns.

Spa maybe? Hockenheim? No typical motorcycle tracks. And the time you gain per lap must be gained at the longest straight, by reaching perhaps 330 km/h instead of 300 km/h for a few hundred meters, then braking maybe 50 m earlier?

Still want one but not sure why.

Jono · October 2nd, 2014, 12:41 PM

I want to see the H2R ridden at the Isle of Man TT! Obviously it won't be able to run in any race class but I'm curious to see what lap times it would run. Now that would be an insane video!

Rustitution · October 2nd, 2014, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jono

I want to see the H2R ridden at the Isle of Man TT! Obviously it won't be able to run in any race class but I'm curious to see what lap times it would run. Now that would be an insane video!

That would be nuts probably one of the few places where this kind of power might decrease laptimes. The only other place would be Pikes Peak that i could think of

JeffM · October 2nd, 2014, 01:26 PM

Blast to the past. The old Rad Greaves Hayabusa had canard wings. Unlike the H2, the Greaves RadBusa had, what looks like, wings attached to the axles

Brother Michigan · October 2nd, 2014, 03:03 PM

People forget about the Hayabusa when they call the H2R ugly.

choneofakind · October 2nd, 2014, 04:34 PM

It's not as simple as "it has to be stiff" or "its too flexible...

Don't make me launch isn't my rant on chassis design again.

Sirref · October 2nd, 2014, 04:36 PM

also, I agree the busa is ugly while this has it's redeeming characteristics, it's just over the top styling instead of looking just plain bad

KawiKid860 · October 3rd, 2014, 03:27 PM

Maybe they'll lop off a cylinder and down the boost and give us that supercharged 750 triple we all want

JeffM · October 5th, 2014, 07:29 AM

Dealer invoice posted up at ADVrider.

:

CZroe · October 5th, 2014, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffM

Dealer invoice posted up at ADVrider.

:

Ho-leee Sheeee.....

And there needs to be a good bit of profit on top of that!

choneofakind · October 5th, 2014, 08:42 AM

60,300.00 for the dealer?!?!

I'd expect that to list at at least 80,000 and they'll maybe have ONE for show off purposes only. Probably closer to 90,000

LittleRedNinjette · October 5th, 2014, 08:50 AM

Rustitution · October 5th, 2014, 10:41 AM

Well i guess it is more of a hyper bike then I imagined.

Rustitution · October 5th, 2014, 10:42 AM

that more then the Mission RS + GP package holy sheeet

choneofakind · October 5th, 2014, 11:24 AM

I guess their target 'competition' was the likes of the Desmosdici or the very super duper high end Panigale? That's in the neighborhood of 60,000 right? I don't know much about the pricing of anything that expensive.

Jono · October 5th, 2014, 12:06 PM

That's stupid expensive. I'd rather have one of these! Much more useful and it costs $78,995.

Ducati999 · October 5th, 2014, 01:56 PM

I think the only track this bike will see is 1\4 mile long where you can use full throttle almost the entire 5-6 second race! This bike does not seem to be race course oriented like the superleggera and I bet the Ducati could lap a track a few seconds quicker but the H2 would pull it on the straights

fast1075 · October 5th, 2014, 03:42 PM

There is no way that bike would be intended for 1/4 mile racing. Too tall, too short. Now the engine on the other hand in a properly designed drag chassis (if the transmission ratios are appropriate) would be "interesting". It could go mid to low 7's. But I bet it would not be very durable for drag racing at all.

The tubing chassis makes sense in multiple ways, including leaving plenty of room for engine/plumbing.

In reality, it is just boastful display of engineering capability, and it's intended mark is the new "world's fastest production motorcycle". If you want to see a real one, I'll bet they will have one or two on display at the AIM show in a couple of weeks in Orlando.

Rustitution · October 5th, 2014, 03:44 PM

Pikes Peak that is all.

Jono · October 5th, 2014, 04:45 PM

Apparently one of the street promo vids got leaked. Here it is.

Link to original page on YouTube.

Y'all thought the H2R was ugly, Just look at the exhaust on the H2. It's dark and it's still hideous!

xorbe · October 5th, 2014, 05:34 PM

That's the one I saw, told you, $60000 invoice!

Hero Danny · October 5th, 2014, 07:56 PM

I think that hayabussa isn't ugly... I don't know, It's not "great looking" but it's not ugly either.

As for the 60k price tag for the DEALER, that's INSANE!

Any guesses on the price tag on the street edition?

xorbe · October 5th, 2014, 11:20 PM

I ripped this from the youtube video above:

Somchai · October 6th, 2014, 12:51 AM

It looks like the competition starts... http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/sneekpeek.aspx

xorbe · October 6th, 2014, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somchai

It looks like the competition starts... http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/sneekpeek.aspx

I think that video came out last week. R3 (300cc)? New R6? Something bigger? I didn't see any "supposed inside rumors".

alex.s · October 6th, 2014, 08:35 AM

r1?

k-os · October 6th, 2014, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

r1?

From what I've heard it's the new R1.

Sirref · October 6th, 2014, 08:02 PM

is yamaha ever going to come out with a new r6? They've gotta do something with it to drive the used market prices down

csmith12 · October 6th, 2014, 09:33 PM

Link to original page on YouTube.

WTF brake lights? This will be on the street.... I have no doubts now.

csmith12 · October 6th, 2014, 10:25 PM

nm, rear lights may be a requirement under wet conditions, it's late, wasn't thinking.

alex.s · October 6th, 2014, 11:28 PM

it doesn't look very quick through corners

Rustitution · October 7th, 2014, 06:26 AM

its tough to tell with nothing else to compare it too as well as the relatively short shots, I mean it is a large bike, and from what I can hear I doesn't sound like it is in the right rpm range to make the power it needs to come out of the corners quickly. A few of those shorts were very grunty, and where is the chirping.

xorbe · October 7th, 2014, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rustitution

and where is the chirping.

It will be hard to hear the chirping normally, probably. Welcome to marketing?

BlownWideOpen · October 7th, 2014, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xorbe

It will be hard to hear the chirping normally, probably. Welcome to marketing?

It's usually that way with all factory vehicles...

allanoue · October 7th, 2014, 06:53 AM

Link to original page on YouTube.

They talk about the street version here

CZroe · October 7th, 2014, 08:23 AM

You must've missed this:

Link to original page on YouTube.

It was uploaded to their official channel over 35 hours ago (no longer a "leak"). That is definitely a street version.

Jono · October 7th, 2014, 09:36 AM

I can't even imagine hitting a bird at 200+mph, but Derek Keyes, an R&D rider for Kawasaki did just that on the H2R. What a mess!

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/not...3098822/+damon

choneofakind · October 7th, 2014, 01:51 PM

Niiiiicceeee

Rustitution · October 7th, 2014, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jono

I can't even imagine hitting a bird at 200+mph, but Derek Keyes, an R&D rider for Kawasaki did just that on the H2R. What a mess!

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/not...3098822/+damon

saw that last night he must have ended up with bird parts in side the helmet too nasty.

Sirref · October 7th, 2014, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rustitution

That would be nuts probably one of the few places where this kind of power might decrease laptimes. The only other place would be Pikes Peak that i could think of

I disagree, watching a lot of full laps of the IOM TT there are a lot of straightaways. The rider would have to adjust the braking points but the advantage of being able to go much faster in the straights where they just sit at 180+mph for half a minute would create a massive difference. It has it's tight bits but the extra speed in the flowing sections would make up for that.

pikes peak the extra power is indeed useless

October 2nd, 2014, 12:04 PM	#201
rgx107 ninjette.org member Name: Rolf Location: Sweden Join Date: Jul 2014 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300 Posts: 70	Do I understand it right that the frame is made of steel? Or aluminium. And intended to be flexible and stable for high-speed riding. I thought stiffer was better at high speeds. My interpretation: they selected a manufacturing method that is cheaper/easier for small volumes. Just need to set up a shop with a frame jig. And the fuel tank seems tiny. Perhaps 10 L. If my fuel gauge starts flashing with 3.5 L remaining, corresponding to almost 100 km range, the fuel gauge on the H2 will flash as you exit from the gas station after a fill-up. One might also wonder at which tracks you would benefit from 300 hp. As I understand it even MotoGP stopped long ago trying to get the most hp from the engines, since they are at max throttle with no restriction from traction control only a few seconds per lap. Instead it's all about finding a combination of engine and traction control that gives best drive out of the turns. Spa maybe? Hockenheim? No typical motorcycle tracks. And the time you gain per lap must be gained at the longest straight, by reaching perhaps 330 km/h instead of 300 km/h for a few hundred meters, then braking maybe 50 m earlier? Still want one but not sure why.
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October 2nd, 2014, 01:26 PM	#204
JeffM Mr. 988 Name: Jeff Location: Sandy, Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): One Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Blast to the past. The old Rad Greaves Hayabusa had canard wings. Unlike the H2, the Greaves RadBusa had, what looks like, wings attached to the axles __________________________________________________ "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to" - Jimi Hendrix Cancer

October 2nd, 2014, 03:03 PM	#205
Brother Michigan ninjette.org sage Name: Aaron Location: Winder, GA Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 718	People forget about the Hayabusa when they call the H2R ugly. __________________________________________________ DISCLAIMER: I generally have no idea what I'm talking about.

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October 5th, 2014, 07:29 AM	#209
JeffM Mr. 988 Name: Jeff Location: Sandy, Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): One Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Dealer invoice posted up at ADVrider. : __________________________________________________ "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to" - Jimi Hendrix Cancer

October 2nd, 2014, 12:41 PM	#202
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	I want to see the H2R ridden at the Isle of Man TT! Obviously it won't be able to run in any race class but I'm curious to see what lap times it would run. Now that would be an insane video!

October 2nd, 2014, 04:34 PM	#206
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	It's not as simple as "it has to be stiff" or "its too flexible... Don't make me launch isn't my rant on chassis design again.

October 3rd, 2014, 03:27 PM	#208
KawiKid860 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Murphey Location: Eastern Washington Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Honda 919, 2004 Ninja 500R NAKED Posts: A lot.	Maybe they'll lop off a cylinder and down the boost and give us that supercharged 750 triple we all want

October 5th, 2014, 08:42 AM	#211
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	60,300.00 for the dealer?!?! I'd expect that to list at at least 80,000 and they'll maybe have ONE for show off purposes only. Probably closer to 90,000

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Rustitution World Class Ninja Name: Rusty Location: West Chester PA Join Date: Sep 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Ninja 250, 96 VFR750, 79 Yamaha XS1100 Special Posts: 224	Well i guess it is more of a hyper bike then I imagined. __________________________________________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the to arrive safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting, GERONIMO!

October 5th, 2014, 10:42 AM	#214
Rustitution World Class Ninja Name: Rusty Location: West Chester PA Join Date: Sep 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Ninja 250, 96 VFR750, 79 Yamaha XS1100 Special Posts: 224	that more then the Mission RS + GP package holy sheeet __________________________________________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the to arrive safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting, GERONIMO!

October 5th, 2014, 11:24 AM	#215
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I guess their target 'competition' was the likes of the Desmosdici or the very super duper high end Panigale? That's in the neighborhood of 60,000 right? I don't know much about the pricing of anything that expensive.

October 5th, 2014, 12:06 PM	#216
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	That's stupid expensive. I'd rather have one of these! Much more useful and it costs $78,995.
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October 5th, 2014, 01:56 PM	#217
Ducati999 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Ant Location: Wooster Join Date: Dec 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ducati 999 2012 Ninja 250r Ducati748 Yellow finally running 2003 SV650 S (SOLD) Posts: A lot.	I think the only track this bike will see is 1\4 mile long where you can use full throttle almost the entire 5-6 second race! This bike does not seem to be race course oriented like the superleggera and I bet the Ducati could lap a track a few seconds quicker but the H2 would pull it on the straights

October 5th, 2014, 03:42 PM	#218
fast1075 ninjette.org guru Name: harry Location: Central Florida Join Date: Sep 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250, 2004 Buell XB12s, Honda 110 Elite Posts: 332	There is no way that bike would be intended for 1/4 mile racing. Too tall, too short. Now the engine on the other hand in a properly designed drag chassis (if the transmission ratios are appropriate) would be "interesting". It could go mid to low 7's. But I bet it would not be very durable for drag racing at all. The tubing chassis makes sense in multiple ways, including leaving plenty of room for engine/plumbing. In reality, it is just boastful display of engineering capability, and it's intended mark is the new "world's fastest production motorcycle". If you want to see a real one, I'll bet they will have one or two on display at the AIM show in a couple of weeks in Orlando. __________________________________________________ "They don't pay me enough to ride this thing!" Kenny Roberts after winning the Indy Mile on the TZ750 powered Grand National bike.

October 5th, 2014, 03:44 PM	#219
Rustitution World Class Ninja Name: Rusty Location: West Chester PA Join Date: Sep 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Ninja 250, 96 VFR750, 79 Yamaha XS1100 Special Posts: 224	Pikes Peak that is all. __________________________________________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the to arrive safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting, GERONIMO!

October 5th, 2014, 04:45 PM	#220
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Teaser 'Track or Street' Video Apparently one of the street promo vids got leaked. Here it is. Link to original page on YouTube. Y'all thought the H2R was ugly, Just look at the exhaust on the H2. It's dark and it's still hideous!

October 5th, 2014, 05:34 PM	#221
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October 5th, 2014, 11:20 PM	#223
xorbe ninjette.org guru Name: xorbe Location: Bay Area, CA Join Date: Jun 2013 Motorcycle(s): N650 (and others) Posts: 408	I ripped this from the youtube video above:
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October 6th, 2014, 12:51 AM	#224
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October 6th, 2014, 08:35 AM	#226
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October 6th, 2014, 11:28 PM	#231
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October 7th, 2014, 06:26 AM	#232
Rustitution World Class Ninja Name: Rusty Location: West Chester PA Join Date: Sep 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Ninja 250, 96 VFR750, 79 Yamaha XS1100 Special Posts: 224	its tough to tell with nothing else to compare it too as well as the relatively short shots, I mean it is a large bike, and from what I can hear I doesn't sound like it is in the right rpm range to make the power it needs to come out of the corners quickly. A few of those shorts were very grunty, and where is the chirping. __________________________________________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the to arrive safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid across the line, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, shouting, GERONIMO!

October 7th, 2014, 06:53 AM	#235
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October 7th, 2014, 08:23 AM	#236
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	You must've missed this: Link to original page on YouTube. It was uploaded to their official channel over 35 hours ago (no longer a "leak"). That is definitely a street version.

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October 7th, 2014, 01:51 PM	#238
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