He Did It On Purpose

[ilovejesus]

So you've never wrecked?

[Jiggles]

[choneofakind]

ha.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by ilovejesus

Jiggles must be 65 and has been riding for 47 years because this guy doesn't make any mistakes apparently. As a rider for 2 months I could sure use the wisdom from a guy with that much experience being perfect.

He just doesn't tip-toe around it... for your sake.

Anyway, take it to an empty lot, set up some markers, and practice emergency braking using both brakes with about 75-80% of your stopping power on the front brake. Squeeze, don't grab, and add more force progressively. It's hard to know the limit of the front brake without actually losing traction on that wheel, so BE CAREFUL. You might want to take the plastics off while you practice. Have you taken the MSF course?

[Motofool]

Check these articles about braking techniques:

http://www.msgroup.org/articles.aspx?Cat=2

[dave42]

I don't post a whole lot around here but Jiggles being Jiggles aside, he IS right. Just learn from the crash and be glad that you're actually able to sit, chill, and get annoyed about getting razzed on the boards instead of ya know, layed up somewhere being unconsious and all broken up.

[alex.s]

jiggles is a douche. i mean monumental asshole. really the kind of human being you might expect to find living off social security of a comatose 90y/o woman he claims to be dating... though the smell is beginning to ripen, i'm wondering if she's still comatose. oh, anyway jiggles is right.

<3

[Jiggles]

[IdRatherDrum]

Suck about what happened man.

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by alex.s

jiggles is a douche. i mean monumental asshole. really the kind of human being you might expect to find living off social security of a comatose 90y/o woman he claims to be dating... though the smell is beginning to ripen, i'm wondering if she's still comatose. oh, anyway jiggles is right.

<3

I don't even...what....?

I will just accept this and not question it.

[250rr]

Originally Posted by akima

My crash was into a soft padded ditch. I barely scratched my fairings on the grass! Do I still count as badass?

Don't know. Move your tail so I can see.

[alex.s]

totally unoriginal.

[Miles_Prower]

does crashing into a guardrail win me anything?!

[akima]

Originally Posted by Miles_Prower

does crashing into a guardrail win me anything?!

How did you do that? silly!

[Miles_Prower]

Originally Posted by akima

How did you do that? silly!

lol its not like i drove into it. i low sided, and the bike and i slid into the railing. good thing it was there though, otherwise we both would have gone off a 20..30..40 some foot cliff.

[akima]

Originally Posted by Miles_Prower

lol its not like i drove into it. i low sided, and the bike and i slid into the railing. good thing it was there though, otherwise we both would have gone off a 20..30..40 some foot cliff.

lucky

[Miles_Prower]

Originally Posted by akima

lucky

yeah i dont really believe in angels, but if i did i would say he/she got my back yo! lol

[n4mwd]

When I see threads like this, it makes me even more convinced that every biker needs to run continuous video when they ride. Although in this case, the OP is legally responsible for the accident, that doesn't mean that its OK just to drive off and leave him lying in the street like that. With a video and a lawyer, the cager could be held accountable for their part in causing the accident in the first place, but more importantly, leaving the scene of an accident in which injuries are likely.

[Jiggles]

I don't think you understand what happened

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I don't think you understand what happened

Why do you say that?

[CZroe]

He isn't legally at fault and therefore he can't be prosecuted for any "part" he may have contributed nor could he be charged with "leaving the scene." By that logic, every car driving by an accident is "leaving the scene." There is nothing to suggest that the car driver was even aware.

[thisisbenji]

This is why I'll be getting ABS on my next bike. I think that even if your good a using the front brake if you look and the roads all clear, look down, and then look back up and there's an obstacle that catches you by surprise that it's just too hard not to let your reflexes take control.

[Jiggles]

No ABS = Lay it down
ABS = Endo

pick your poison

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

No ABS = Lay it down
ABS = Endo

Not with a modern ABS system. The good ones have rear wheel lift off detection, and won't let the bike go end over end. Not enough details out yet on the new one on the 300, to understand what its capabilities are.

[Jiggles]

Someone get the ABS version and try to do a stoppie

Bring a camera

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by CZroe

He isn't legally at fault and therefore he can't be prosecuted for any "part" he may have contributed nor could he be charged with "leaving the scene." By that logic, every car driving by an accident is "leaving the scene." There is nothing to suggest that the car driver was even aware.

What I said was that the OP was the one that was legally at fault. But even though the car was not legally at fault, he was materially involved in the accident and didn't stop. I find it hard to believe that a car that deliberately slams on his brakes to cause a biker to go down wouldn't actually know he went down after seeing him on the ground in the mirror and hearing a crash.

But I wasn't there, and if the OP had been running video, and the lawyer, judge and jury agreed that the driver stopped with malice, then while the OP would receive a ticket for following too close, he would also receive a nice settlement for his injuries.

[Jiggles]

And what if the car stopped because someone ran in front of the car? Your logic is fail and there's a reason why when a car gets rear ended the other car is always at fault. You should not be following so close that you cannot stop in time if the car in front of you stops. In this case the OP was not even close enough for that to happen as evidenced by the fact that he lowsided and did not collide with the car.

He crashed because he has poor panic braking technique, not because the car hit the brakes.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

And what if the car stopped because someone ran in front of the car? Your logic is fail and there's a reason why when a car gets rear ended the other car is always at fault. You should not be following so close that you cannot stop in time if the car in front of you stops. In this case the OP was not even close enough for that to happen as evidenced by the fact that he lowsided and did not collide with the car.

He crashed because he has poor panic braking technique, not because the car hit the brakes.

[thisisbenji]

I think the best lesson here is to assume that every single thing that can move is out to get you.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

And what if the car stopped because someone ran in front of the car? Your logic is fail and there's a reason why when a car gets rear ended the other car is always at fault. You should not be following so close that you cannot stop in time if the car in front of you stops. In this case the OP was not even close enough for that to happen as evidenced by the fact that he lowsided and did not collide with the car.

He crashed because he has poor panic braking technique, not because the car hit the brakes.

What is the title of the thread? Hint: Its "He Did It On Purpose".

Where in the OP does it say "The car stopped because someone ran in front of it"?

NORMALLY, what you say is correct. However, when the guy in the back can prove that malice was involved by the driver in front, then all bets are off. That's where video comes into play.

The fact that the bike never hit the car is irrelevant. He was going around a roundabout so the car could have been going one way while the bike slid the other.

Seems like you running video helped your case a bit. I'm not sure why you seem to be against it now.

[Jiggles]

Me running video didn't help at all, it was never even looked at.

Even if the car did it on purpose the OP is still at fault. Your not going to be found at fault for hitting the brakes. There is also no way to prove the car did it on purpose even with video.

You have an extreme bias that motorcycles can do no wrong that severely limits your objectivity of any crash situation.

Let me reverse this for you. OP hits the brakes on his bike just for shits and giggles and a car swerves off the road and crashes to avoid hitting him, whose at fault? By your logic, the OP should pay for all the cars damages right?

Good luck with that

[n4mwd]

In cases of provable malice (i.e.-video), the guy in front can be charged with reckless driving. That means that it IS possible for the guy in front to get charged and lose in a civil court.

But its up to the guy in the back to prove that the guy in front was at fault. Most of the time people aren't running video and can't come close to the threshhold of proving their case. So in most cases, the guy in back gets the blame.

The woman in your case knew you had the video. She knew there was no way she could get away with lying. And I'm pretty sure her lawyers know how to work youtube where you posted several videos about the subject.

Am I jaded against cagers? Maybe a little bit. Not all cagers are bad. But when I see cagers splattering a biker all over the road and then just driving off, it has a tendency to piss me off.

[CZroe]

As I descried earlier: cars stop "unexpectedly" at round-a-bouts so frequently that it's actually the norm in some places and EXTREMELY COMMON at all of them. The title of the thread is just a frustrated person's first thought. He's not seriously saying that that the guy purposely wrecked him and, even if he were, it would hold no legal weight because it's clearly his own assumption.

[akima]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

No ABS = Lay it down
ABS = Endo

pick your poison

I got in a stupid argument with some people because of this! Everyone except me was saying that having ABS on a motorcycle means you can't go over the handle bars, whereas I was saying that the goal of ABS is to stop the wheels locking up. If you brake so hard you loop the bike then surely the ABS has worked perfectly!! (even if it wasn't the result you wanted)

Originally Posted by Alex

Not with a modern ABS system. The good ones have rear wheel lift off detection, and won't let the bike go end over end. Not enough details out yet on the new one on the 300, to understand what its capabilities are.

This is what I understood was needed to help stop the bike looping with ABS.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by akima

I got in a stupid argument with some people because of this! Everyone except me was saying that having ABS on a motorcycle means you can't go over the handle bars, whereas I was saying that the goal of ABS is to stop the wheels locking up. If you brake so hard you loop the bike then surely the ABS has worked perfectly!! (even if it wasn't the result you wanted)






This is what I understood was needed to help stop the bike looping with ABS.

Careful! It looks like he could chomp your head off at any moment!

[Jiggles]

Nah way, neutered "/

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by CZroe

As I descried earlier: cars stop "unexpectedly" at round-a-bouts so frequently that it's actually the norm in some places and EXTREMELY COMMON at all of them. The title of the thread is just a frustrated person's first thought. He's not seriously saying that that the guy purposely wrecked him and, even if he were, it would hold no legal weight because it's clearly his own assumption.

Well I wasn't there, but a video might make all the difference.

Just a month or two ago, actually twice in the same month, I was out riding with a friend and was having to do the speed limit because he doesn't like to go over the limit. Anyhow, this apparently angers cagers. In fact, I think it might have been the same cager in both incidents even though it was in different locations. The cager was changing lanes into me and diving at me in both cases. He first tailgated us for a short while, then swerved into me. my riding partner, who was behind me, said he did similar things to him. He was deliberately trying to make us go down. Its hard to remember to get a plate when stuff like that is happening and me and my partner couldn't even agree on what kind of vehicle it was. If we had video, it would have gotten the guys plate and his vehicle type and it would have shown that his actions were deliberate.

So if we had video, we could turn it over as evidence of reckless endangerment, reckless driving, road rage and maybe a few others. As it stands, with no video, we didn't even have enough to call the cops since neither of us actually went down.

[akima]

@n4mwd: that's incredible! It always surprises me that someone could do that to another person. That's pretty evil. He could easily kill you both.

Originally Posted by CZroe

Careful! It looks like he could chomp your head off at any moment!

Nooo! He wouldn't do that to the kitten.

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by thisisbenji

I think the best lesson here is to assume that every single thing that can move is out to get you.

fify

[nickjpass]

OP... Jiggles broke his femur in an accident that still makes me cringe when I think a bit it. The driver performed an illegal u-turn and jiggles could not stop in time to avoid impact..search 'rider snaps leg' on YouTube... And find the user jiggles250. I think the video has a thumbnail of him lying on the ground and a leather glove.