September 27th, 2015, 01:54 PM | #1 |
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Rider panics during hard braking and crashes
This is pretty horrible to watch, so don't watch it if you're sensitive to crash videos.
The rider reports only suffering a double-fractured ankle from this, but it's pretty scary to see the crash and hear him in pain after.
Link to original page on YouTube.
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September 27th, 2015, 02:58 PM | #2 |
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The biggest reminder here is maintain safe following distance. He was less than a second behind the rider in front, not leaving him enough time to make a good decision.
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September 27th, 2015, 03:13 PM | #3 |
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^ ... and if you're going to crash, do it near a fireman that guy who came to his aid was a rescue ninja.
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September 27th, 2015, 05:45 PM | #4 |
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if you're gonna crash, crash into or in front of people with medical knowledge
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October 4th, 2015, 02:48 PM | #5 | |
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From the description:
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October 10th, 2015, 01:11 AM | #6 |
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October 10th, 2015, 07:33 AM | #7 |
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While that statement may be true, they've saved lives more than otherwise.
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October 10th, 2015, 09:29 AM | #8 | |
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He wasn't looking far enough forward either. Look how long we can see the ambulance in the video (which means he could have seen it longer) before he starts braking. Situational awareness. Scan way further ahead than you need, that way you can react to what is happening.
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Now think about an average car. Closed windows, radio at a level that allows for casual conversation, fan on so it doesn't feel stuffy, engine and exhaust note, etc. Now there's a motorcycle in your blind spot that you don't see. He passes you. You suddenly snap your head around and see him AS HIS PIPES ARE LEVEL WITH YOUR MIRROR, and not when those loud pipes would have saved him from going unnoticed in your blind spot. Loud pipes don't save lives. Loud pipes lose rider rights. Look how many cases the AMA has had to battle with city/state/federal laws that are about banning motorcycle access in specific areas due to noise violations. You and I both have a Muzzy pipe. They're loud, but not a Harley brand of Stupid Loud. If you're conscious of your surroundings and don't go blasting through neighborhoods at 10,000 rpm's in the middle of the night, we can minimize our impact on town. It's called being polite. Moral of story, don't go blindly sharing the Loud Pipes Save Lives mantra, because it's uninformed, self serving, and wrong. |
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October 10th, 2015, 12:50 PM | #9 |
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^ I've got an area-p full system: it just falls within the legal db limit here. Cars do seem to notice me on my bike. I often have people noticing me and reacting to my presence. I'm pretty sure they hear me. I don't rely on that extra road presence: I always assume people haven't seen me. Still nice to have it though.
I do try to keep the revs low when passing through residential areas at night.
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October 23rd, 2015, 06:53 AM | #10 |
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rider was completely oblivious to surroundings, how do you not see the emergency vehicle way sooner?
And always take cues from other vehicles, not saying do what they do but, when a vehicle does something out of the ordinary like slow way down at an intersection despite a green light, don't just think "dumb idiot driver" and grab a handful of throttle to zip past and or around them in spite to show how bad ass you are.
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Wasn't talking about that particular situation, but you're right about that and i see where you're coming from. I spoke from a personal experience type of view, many a time i've had people tell me thats its a good thing they heard me before they cut me off and ended my life, so with that being said, I'm sticking with my personal opinion, just as you should yours Again, these loud pipes didn't do **** to help, but i was saying more often than not, (IME) they help more than they don't.
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October 23rd, 2015, 08:10 AM | #12 | |
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I'm not saying ditch the pipe, I'm saying be aware and considerate of your surroundings. Also, being completely aware of the traffic around you and riding defensively (read: not staying in blind spots where noise is relied upon for making your presence known) is the only tactic that will reliably keep you safe. You're young, even younger than me. Learn this now. Practice it. Take it to heart. Drop the "loud pipes save lives" attitude and ride smart. More important that loving the ride is making it home safe after every ride in order to ride again. That means not being a dolt and arrogantly proclaiming that your loud pipe will save you from going unnoticed. Take responsibility for your own safety. Take initiative to be a safer rider and a responsible advocate for good riders. Be an enthusiast with your bike mods and make it sound such that you go weak at the knees when it screams to red line; but understand how that gets viewed by the general non-riding public and do everything to improve that image. Responsible risk when riding, respectful actions as a rider to reduce impact on the community. boom. |
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October 23rd, 2015, 01:36 PM | #15 |
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eh, he was following fine. his problem was that he was simply not paying attention.
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October 23rd, 2015, 01:37 PM | #16 |
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show me one instance where a loud pipe has saved a life. i'll be you $1 that you can't find one.
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October 23rd, 2015, 01:47 PM | #17 |
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One of my friends got sideswiped last year. He was next to a car and the car simply switched lanes into him.
Funny bit was he was on a STRAIGHT PIPED GSXR750. That thing was deafening loud. Drivers response was that he didn't see him there. |
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October 23rd, 2015, 01:51 PM | #18 |
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I'm not into the loud pipes save lives mantra, but it's pretty obvious they give you more road presence and it's also pretty obvious that many riders get knocked off their bikes because... "sorry mate I didn't see you".
Why not both do what you can to increase your road presence (reasonably loud pipe + modulated headlights + decent horn upgrade) and ride defensively, assuming-always that no-one can see you? It's going to be pretty difficult to find any cases like that as the rider would have survived and then you can't really prove that the rider would have died had they had a quiet pipe. Conversely it's much easier to find cases of riders who did die despite having loud pipes... as they are now dead... so you can like... prove they had a loud pipe and like... died.
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November 13th, 2015, 12:34 PM | #19 |
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I have loudish pipes. I don't rely on them for collision avoidance. I short shift in neighborhoods to be courteous. My pipes aren't that loud to those ahead of me due to the fact that they are pointing backwards, which most certainly limits their effectiveness as a way to make other drivers aware of me.
All that said, I don't think those facts limits their effectiveness to zero either. Am I safer by a factor of two because I have loudish pipes? No way. But I am safer by some smaller percentage. Just to speculate, perhaps 10% safer? 5%? But regardless, somewhat safer. |
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