F***! Bolt snapped!

[Hero Danny]

While trying to fix my stupid ebay POS spools, I was tightening them, and the head just snapped right off!!! I couldn't believe it!

Now what!? How am going to get this stupid thing out?? Should I try heat or something? Ugh...

Thanks in advanced everyone.

[Alex]

Vise grips.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by Alex

Vise grips.

Thanks for your quick response Alex, I'm going to try that... I think the stupid seller sent me a 1.5 pitch instead of 1.25... I most likely screwed up my threads forever now.

I'll report back if I somehow do get this stupid thing out.

Lesson learned, don't cheap out on anything, even a tiny spool.

[Hero Danny]

@Alex

Thank you so much man! I just got the dang thing out of there, and to my surprise my threads look completely fine! I guess the cheap ebay bolts were very soft and they got f'd up but thank god my bike is okay. I'm issuing a return request now and i'm going to go with shogun or some other trusted brand, anything besides ebay crap.

Thanks again!

[fishdip]

clean your chain

[Kayakzack]

Test your thread with a proper sized bolt from the hardware store, it may help clean out any burrs in the threads. Inspect it closely first to see if it has cross threaded, if it has you can most likely still save it with a proper sized tap. I had to do this on the spools for my 250, never had a spool installed, but could not get the bolt to start threading. Taped it and it worked great.

[csmith12]

My money is on paint in the threads. It's a common problem when installing spools. The trick is to work them in and out, clearing off any paint along the way.

Here is a tip for you. Next time you're installing something and the bolt doesn't seem to go right. Stop... something is wrong. Like most things in life, forcing it only leads to frustrations.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by fishdip

clean your chain

I second that!

[subxero]

pipe wrench would work to get it out

[alex.s]

hahaha. definitely grade 8 high carbon bolt... that snapped in half ... from paint...

go buy new bolts and maybe examine the quality of everything you bought from that person.

[Rifleman]

just make sure they are US manufacture... more lines on the bolt head = better.

[accumack]

Just go to the hardware store and get some good bolts. And your chain needs help you've neglected it far too long.

[cadd]

I had the same issue. I also have $10 spools from eBay. But the problem wasn't the spool. Spools were fine. It's the paint from the threads on the bike from the factory.

Have to screw the spool in gently. Once it binds, remove it and blow out the paint that flaked off. Do that a few times and the spools thread right on perfectly.

Sorry....It's human error. You can't expect to manhandle the spools in. Your bike's thread wasn't ready for them.

I also have experience with $40 brand name spools. Same thing happens on a new bike with virgin spool threads.

Just gotta be gentle next time. I'm sorry to say....but IMO, it's a sh!tty thing to do to try to get a refund. The seller did nothing wrong. He delivered the spools to you as promised. He shouldn't lose out. If the spools did cause the problem (which I doubt), you should go after the manufacturer.

But if you can prove the seller sent the wrong item, of course it's on him/her to issue a refund.

But looking at your post here, you didn't even install them properly the first time (you installed backwards), I'm going to have to say human error.

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/show...7&postcount=42

Also, please clean your chain! I'm lazy as it is already and clean my chain every 500 - 750 miles. I would never let my chain get as dirty as your chain!

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Rifleman

just make sure they are US manufacture... more lines on the bolt head = better.

just remember grade 8.8 is nothing like grade 8

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by fishdip

clean your chain

That's why I'm trying to get some spools + rear stands!!! lol

Not sure why but the chain was white and had a tiny bit of rust on it... drives me crazy when people cannot take care of their stuff (previous owner) I've been lubing it up and everything, but it's just really difficult to get it a proper cleaning without a rear stand.

As for the spool, I'm pretty sure the bolt is the wrong thread pitch, i'll but a bolt to test my hypothesis before I continue to go after the seller.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by alex.s

just remember grade 8.8 is nothing like grade 8

is 8.8 better than 8?

[alex.s]

no

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by cadd

I had the same issue. I also have $10 spools from eBay. But the problem wasn't the spool. Spools were fine. It's the paint from the threads on the bike from the factory.

Have to screw the spool in gently. Once it binds, remove it and blow out the paint that flaked off. Do that a few times and the spools thread right on perfectly.

Sorry....It's human error. You can't expect to manhandle the spools in. Your bike's thread wasn't ready for them.

I also have experience with $40 brand name spools. Same thing happens on a new bike with virgin spool threads.

Just gotta be gentle next time. I'm sorry to say....but IMO, it's a sh!tty thing to do to try to get a refund. The seller did nothing wrong. He delivered the spools to you as promised. He shouldn't lose out. If the spools did cause the problem (which I doubt), you should go after the manufacturer.

But if you can prove the seller sent the wrong item, of course it's on him/her to issue a refund.

But looking at your post here, you didn't even install them properly the first time (you installed backwards), I'm going to have to say human error.

https://www.ninjette.org/forums/show...7&postcount=42

Also, please clean your chain! I'm lazy as it is already and clean my chain every 500 - 750 miles. I would never let my chain get as dirty as your chain!

I lube my chain every 100 miles, (bike only has 1,000) and it looked this way when I bought it, at 400 miles. I don't understand how it could be so messed up so quick, I want to clean the chain, but in order to do it easily and properly I want the back end up on some stands.

I'm going to measure the threads and if they're 1.5 and not 1.25 then I will for sure go after them. If it is 1.25 and was human error then I will just buy some more bolts, they're cheap enough as it is.

[snot]

Make sure you properly lube your chain after cleaning it.

[JohnnyBravo]

Y'all think his chain is dirty

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Y'all think his chain is dirty

no I think your mouth is dirty.

[cadd]

Ahhhh! The OEM chain lube (which is probably still on your chain since you purchased the bike with such low mileage) is nasty!!! It is thick! It flings all over the place. But you knew that already. Had a brain fart. Wasnt able to put 1+1 together to realize you were putting spools on to do a proper chain cleaning/lubing job. Lol. My bad.

[cadd]

Another tip. After you SLOWLY work out any and all paint from the threads with your new bolts, apply some BLUE locktite on the threads of your bolts before screwing them in. I've had a spool or two vibrate loose in the past and was dumbfounded when I got my rear stand out to lift it up.....Only to see I had one spool!

[Flying]

Double nutting is another way to skin the cat. Though that method is better for reusuable studs with actual torque specs (exhaust studs, head studs, sprocket carrier).



I wish I had metric taps.

[Brother Michigan]

If the chain was white, it could have just been the chain lube the previous owner was using. I use Bel-Ray chain lube that goes on white.

[choneofakind]

I doublenut every day.

[Hero Danny]

Yeah, I think the kawi dealer said he put chain wax on it and that's why it was white. Not sure..

But anyway, I just got back from ace's hardware and they confirmed it for me, the threads are 1.5 on the bolts I received..... So there you have it, I messaged him about it, and i'm going to wait until monday/tuesday before I open a claim.

I'm also going to order some locktite, I was using some grease I had, but f it. I'll get some of the lock tite everyone recommends.

[JohnnyBravo]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I doublenut every day.

[JohnnyBravo]

Loctite really is the way to go

[LittleRedNinjette]

*looks at signature* yup, Loctite is the sh!t.

[Hero Danny]

I've looked at a few videos now, and does loctite actually lube the bolt at all? It seems to me it's just a glue.

[LittleRedNinjette]

You want anti-seize then. Not leaving them in?

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I've looked at a few videos now, and does loctite actually lube the bolt at all? It seems to me it's just a glue.

loctite is glue.

vibration makes the bolt come undone. glue keeps it from vibrating loose.

you do not need any kind of lube to put a bolt into a properly sized hole. if you do, it has either rusted out, covered in paint, or is not the correct size. put a tap through it and try again.

[broilmebk]

Originally Posted by Brother Michigan

If the chain was white, it could have just been the chain lube the previous owner was using. I use Bel-Ray chain lube that goes on white.

I was going to say this too.

Also, loctite is an adhesive

[Brother Michigan]

I was a bad, bad boy and didn't loctite my spools. Still there after a year, though, sooo... hey?

[Hero Danny]

I'm not going to bother with loctite, i'll watch them carefully, if they do fall off, not a huge loss. just get some more.

[cadd]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

But anyway, I just got back from ace's hardware and they confirmed it for me, the threads are 1.5 on the bolts I received..... So there you have it, I messaged him about it, and i'm going to wait until monday/tuesday before I open a claim.

Definitely go after the seller. If his eBay listing shows 1.25 and he sent you 1.5, demand a refund.

[alex.s]

the bolt he sent you broke in half dude. i don't care if it WAS the right pitch. it BROKE IN HALF.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by alex.s

the bolt he sent you broke in half dude. i don't care if it WAS the right pitch. it BROKE IN HALF.

hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. The quality of these bolts are absolutely atrocious. I did this with an alan wrench and had barely any leverage too.

[accumack]

What torque was used? It got tight and the op continued to tighten it until it broke he was wrong. If you don't know the difference you shouldn't touch your bike. The seller is not responsible for negligence.