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Old July 9th, 2012, 10:36 AM   #1
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Talking ecotrons ninja ex250 efi kit group buy!

Hey guys, ive gotten in touch with matt of ecotrons.com, and he said that "another group buy is welcome" the new one will include the new throttlebody, and all of the new additions to the kit. i am still talking to him about the numbers,

pricing:

Same deal: 15% for 3 kits, 20% for 5 kits.

3 kits: 510 usd
5 kits: 480 usd



what all the kit comes with:



new TB

but in the mean time, who all is interested?

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Old July 10th, 2012, 10:44 AM   #2
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #3
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Anyone had any issues running this kit and the KOSO gauges? Since this kit takes over the ignition timing will any KOSO wiring need to be changed for everything to function. Tach pick up for example.
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Anyone had any issues running this kit and the KOSO gauges? Since this kit takes over the ignition timing will any KOSO wiring need to be changed for everything to function. Tach pick up for example.
No wiring on the bike is modified during installation of the Ecotrons kit. So, I don't see any reason why it would have any difficulties. I do not have KOSO gauges and don't believe any of the previous group buy does either.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #5
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No wiring on the bike is modified. The kit uses the stock pickup. I don't see any reason why it would have any difficulties.
Doesn't the KOSO get the tach signal from the stock ECU? If the EFI kit has it's own ECU and controls the timing, wouldn't the KOSO have to get it from there after the EFI kit has been installed?

Is my thinking wrong here?
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they will both work at the same time, i'm getting the rx2 gauge and this kit, and then im going to turbo my bike.
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they will both work at the same time, i'm getting the rx2 gauge and this kit, and then im going to turbo my bike.
That doesn't really answer my question either. I already have a KOSO and I'm trying to understand what issues I may run into with an EFI kit. I also have a remote start alarm and I'm also curious if there would be any concerns there.

BTW... forget the turbo. Our engines, transmissions, clutches, etc. are not engineered to handle that kind of HP. Not stock any way...
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #8
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Apparently you don't understand what Alex did. He was correct in all he did and I don't see any reason for him to delete any technical discussions in here.
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #9
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alright, well so far as the turbo, i have it all figured out i have forged pistons and everything i need so im goot there, and so far as your question, i don't see any reason why the gauges would interfere with anything, because it doesnt change the bikes wiring, the harness plugs into a plug under the driver seat, and the alarm may or may not interfere, depending on how it wires up. i will ask matt and get back to you as soon as i can
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Old July 10th, 2012, 11:39 AM   #10
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Apparently you don't understand what Alex did. He was correct in all he did and I don't see any reason for him to delete any technical discussions in here.
yeah im glad he deleted the other posts, but i dunno
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That doesn't really answer my question either. I already have a KOSO and I'm trying to understand what issues I may run into with an EFI kit. I also have a remote start alarm and I'm also curious if there would be any concerns there.

BTW... forget the turbo. Our engines, transmissions, clutches, etc. are not engineered to handle that kind of HP. Not stock any way...
When you install the KOSO gauges, what do you have to do wiring wise?
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Guys, the rules aren't arbitrary, and aren't random. Marketplace area is for people & companies selling things. The only type of posts that are generally permitted in sales threads are questions from people who are interested in purchasing what is being sold. There is no restriction on tech or non-tech questions, as long as they are related to a potential purchase.

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When you install the KOSO gauges, what do you have to do wiring wise?
You have 1 wire to run straight to the battery (for gauge settings memory I believe), 1 wire to run to the coolant temp sensor (KOSO provided but replaces the stock sensor), 1 wire to run to your choice of an oil temp reading location (secondary drain plug in my case), and 1 wire to run for the speed sensor (located on the front wheel) and then the gauge plugs straight into the stock harness behind the dash. It gets everything else it needs from there.
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Doesn't the KOSO get the tach signal from the stock ECU? If the EFI kit has it's own ECU and controls the timing, wouldn't the KOSO have to get it from there after the EFI kit has been installed?

Is my thinking wrong here?
the kit plugs into the connectors that the stock ecu used. If the koso needs spliced into the same wire that the oem tach gets its signal from, then the koso should, in theory, still work when using the efi kit, because it will just be plugged into the kit ecu rather than the oem cdi. Are we thinking the same thing here or am i just theorizing wildly?
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the kit plugs into the connectors that the stock ecu used. If the koso needs spliced into the same wire that the oem tach gets its signal from, then the koso should, in theory, still work when using the efi kit, because it will just be plugged into the kit ecu rather than the oem cdi. Are we thinking the same thing here or am i just theorizing wildly?
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So is the EFI ECU a replacement for stock or an addition to stock?

I'm actually running the BRT and it was my understanding that the BRT would be illuminated by the EFI ECU. Is this correct?
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So is the EFI ECU a replacement for stock or an addition to stock?

I'm actually running the BRT and it was my understanding that the BRT would be illuminated by the EFI ECU. Is this correct?
The Ecotrons ECU replaces the stock CDI.
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the kit plugs into the connectors that the stock ecu used. If the koso needs spliced into the same wire that the oem tach gets its signal from, then the koso should, in theory, still work when using the efi kit, because it will just be plugged into the kit ecu rather than the oem cdi. Are we thinking the same thing here or am i just theorizing wildly?
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The Ecotrons ECU replaces the stock CDI.
Ok, now that clears it up. My BRT replaced the stock CDI so the EFI ECU would replace my BRT.

BTW...I'm thinking there would be no change needed for alarm function.
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"Where does the koso wire (pick up ) tap to stock harness ?
Ignition coil driver wire?
Or stock pick up?

Basically should not have any issue. Because the efi kit do the same ignition control as the stock cdi. Except programmable ignition angles." - matt of ecotrons
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Ok, now that clears it up. My BRT replaced the stock CDI so the EFI ECU would replace my BRT.

BTW...I'm thinking there would be no change needed for alarm function.
so are you interested in the group buy?
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so are you interested in the group buy?
I'll be paying attention here and making my mind up. My bike actually runs really good and get's descent mileage. I'm weighing the cost/gains still.
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I'll be paying attention here and making my mind up. My bike actually runs really good and get's descent mileage. I'm weighing the cost/gains still.
yeah, i gotcha, im not sure if its true but people say you get better gas mileage if you put fuelinjection
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new here, joined to get in on this group buy... I'm in for sure, what are the details on paying?
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sory for off.. i asked this question many times on different forums, but still didnt got the answer.

What is diference between this EFI kit and stock kawasaki EFI kit... if there is any?

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yeah, i gotcha, im not sure if its true but people say you get better gas mileage if you put fuelinjection
Depends on the tune, and how fast the bike warms up.
The closed loop nature of fuel injection makes sure there is less fuel wasted.

My original reason for installing the kit was the ability to ride off right after starting.
Works like a charm.
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sory for off.. i asked this question many times on different forums, but still didnt got the answer.

What is diference between this EFI kit and stock kawasaki EFI kit... if there is any?

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The stock kawasaki efi system has an in tank pump and filter.
I think the fuel pressure regulator is at the pump.
There is no return plumbing.
The computer is not programmable.

The ecotrons system has an external pump and filter
Inline pressure regulator and return loop
The computer is programmable for ignition and fuel delivery.

Parts wise it seems the ecotrons kit is easier to repair with off the shelf parts from a cager parts store
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Depends on the tune, and how fast the bike warms up.
The closed loop nature of fuel injection makes sure there is less fuel wasted.

My original reason for installing the kit was the ability to ride off right after starting.
Works like a charm.
thanks for the input! so is it true that with fi the ride feels a whole lot better? some ppl compare to a ninja 600
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thanks for the input! so is it true that with fi the ride feels a whole lot better? some ppl compare to a ninja 600
The throttle response feels quicker than the carbs.
The power seems smoother too.

Im not sure it compares to a 600 though
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alright, so is anyone interested in the group buy? i havnt had anyone sign up yet...
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Thumbs up group buy

I'm in if we get it under $500, so put me down
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im in how much though?
as i said in the original post, if we get 3 ppl to purchase a kit, $510 usd.
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Sorry if I missed this in an earlier post, but I din't see what model yrs this deal is good for... I have an '06 EX2-Fitty and am trying to rally for another Area P exhaust buy as well. ( http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71794 )
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Sorry if I missed this in an earlier post, but I din't see what model yrs this deal is good for... I have an '06 EX2-Fitty and am trying to rally for another Area P exhaust buy as well. ( http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=71794 )
the kit is applicable to any pre gens AND new gen ninja ex250r the only difference is the wiring harness's
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...so that's something I would specify at the point of order?
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...so that's something I would specify at the point of order?
definitely, make sure you get the right kit, otherwise the electrical wont be plug and play.
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yep i think its shipped prices. And i have been using my kit since the first group buy and still loving it and i have the oldest or one of the oldest using the kit so thats saying something too. Guys jump on while its cheaper in the group buy
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