February 27th, 2015, 10:07 AM | #1 |
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The A in ATGATT
There's a few guys here at work who ride on a regular basis. Another guy just finished the MSF course and got his license and was asking for advice on what kind of gear to get and an interesting "discussion" cropped up.
One guy was kind of ribbing me for wearing motorcycle specific boots on my daily commute. I keep a pair of regular shoes in my office desk drawer but I wear boots when riding (Sidi Vertigo to be specific) and I won't go out on the bike without them. I just won't do it. He said it makes you look like a poser, I just rolled my eyes and said I am fond of my feet and ankles. Anyway the discussion kind of boiled down to an argument of safety vs. convenience. I like to call myself an ATGATT kind of guy but admittedly it's not 100% on the daily commute; while I wear leather pants (and my back protector now that I have one) on my longer weekend rides, I'm not rocking anything more protective than a pair of jeans on my way back and forth to work. I should know better - the one time I went off the bike years ago the only real damage was scraping up my legs - but the convenience factor comes in to play. I need to suck it up and get a pair of overpants. One guy who at least wears a helmet and a jacket on his ride in leaves them at his desk when he takes his bike to the gym over lunch break. He says since it's just a half mile down the road he doesn't worry too much about it, and it's too much a hassle at the gym, though I can't help but to cringe every time I see him head off like that. I always feel a twinge of guilt when I let "convenience" trump safety in these kinds of circumstances, and I know I still have a little ways to go before I can really call myself ATGATT. |
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February 27th, 2015, 10:34 AM | #2 |
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People are individuals, so it's up to them to educate themselves about the risks and consequences of whatever they want to get into and do the proper research. If someone doesn't want to wear gear, all I can say is good luck with that, it's their choice. Personally, I'm very fond of my life (it's pretty damn amazing) and I try to mitigate anything that makes it a less than stellar one. This in essence is what life is all about to some degree, making choices and having those choices favor you greatly in the long run. If those choices don't favor you or your life, then it's time to look in the mirror and wonder why that is and what you can do to fix that, if possible or if it's not too late.
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February 27th, 2015, 10:54 AM | #3 |
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I normally dont wear my overpants when commuting to school, but i wear everything else (boots, helm, gloves, jacket). When im going to work, i just wear helmet and gloves because it isnt very far or very fast. I know this is the wrong decision, but whatever, man. When leisurely riding, i wear everything.
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February 27th, 2015, 11:08 AM | #4 |
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I'm still in the stage of "Wear everything!" and hope to never grow out of it.
Everything means: Helmet, earplugs, back protector, heavy gloves, armored jacket, armored pants, and moto boots. I typically don't ride to work since gearing up for me takes me longer than the drive to work is, and having to deal with all the gear once I get to the office is annoying (even though I do have my own office and a locker room down the hall). To me it's not worth riding if I'm not willing to gear up. The only time I'll ride without gear is to turn the bike around in the driveway or in the paddock at the track. But there I'm mostly duckwalking anyway so meh. I've been tempted by the idea of wearing armor pieces under my clothes (shin guards, shorts, elbow/forearm guards), but then realize that cotton still sucks in the abrasion resistance department.
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February 27th, 2015, 11:38 AM | #5 |
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When I ride in jeans, it's Dainese Kevlar-woven jeans; a little pricey and the protection level is less than racing leathers, but much better than regular jeans which provide zero protection.
If I had to chose between boots and jeans, I'd rather skimp on boots - regular over the ankle leather boots do over significant protection, even if they don't look "motorcycle-y".
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February 27th, 2015, 11:51 AM | #6 |
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ya i bought moto-specific jeans, the drayko;s. THey looks like normal jeans but they have awesome abrasion resistance ( still wear the same pair i had a 40mph lowisde in). No armor, but its a step in the right direction. I only wear the armored overpants when its cold, and have the jeans on under them. I always have my boots (more like shoes, the puma v2 so i have ankle protection), jacket gloves and helmet.
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February 27th, 2015, 12:15 PM | #7 |
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February 27th, 2015, 12:24 PM | #8 |
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I used to ride with regular jeans and work boots. i upgrades to Draggin Jeans (love them) and some tourmaster boots to go with my full face helmet, armored jacket (a mesh one for warm weather and a textile for cold) and A* gloves. I try to wear earplugs but sometimes i'm bad and i dont. I haven't found the perfect set yet and my ear canals got torn up by the ones i was using.
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February 27th, 2015, 01:12 PM | #9 |
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I'm old enough to remember when people griped about wearing seatbelts because they were inconvenient.
Now, nobody gives them a second thought. What changed? Not the belts. It was our attitude. It was a whole generation growing up with their parents telling them to buckle up. We just don't think about it anymore. I wear full leather gear, boots, gauntlets, the works... every commute. It takes all of what, two or three minutes to head to the bathroom to change? Gimme a break. I spend more time than that in the office kitchen making coffee. Convenience is a silly excuse for increasing risk. Just make time to do it right. Hey, it's inconvenient to put on a condom, right? But does convenience trump safety, or does it get done without question? "Poser?" That says one thing above all else: That it's more important to look good. Which is a flat-out stupid attitude. I will admit to not changing my pants when heading 1 mile down the road to the diner for lunch -- a trip on which I never get above 30 mph. That's the only concession to convenience that I make. Everyone has their own comfort level. Here's my proven formula: - Jeans/pants kept at work. Change 'em out every few days for a fresh pair. - Shoes kept at work. - Shirt comes with me either worn or (if really hot out) in a backpack. Gear up in the morning. Ride in. Grab clothes, shoes and coffee cup when I get to my office. Head to kitchen, put cup in coffee machine, go to bathroom. Remove riding pants/boots and put on jeans and shoes. Come out and the coffee has just finished brewing. Back to the office. Done. Five minutes, absolute tops.
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February 27th, 2015, 01:20 PM | #10 |
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Boots are a must, the one thing I may skimp on is the leather trousers, but that's only if i'm doing a mile or 2.
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February 27th, 2015, 02:38 PM | #11 | |
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February 27th, 2015, 02:39 PM | #12 |
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There is a certain thrill of going bareback. Only once in a while for me though...
I am looking at some good moto jeans for the commute once it heats up. |
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February 27th, 2015, 02:43 PM | #13 |
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February 27th, 2015, 03:20 PM | #14 | |
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February 28th, 2015, 04:31 PM | #15 |
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Good thread.
I'm a MTGMTT ( most of the gear most of the time ) rider. I do admire people that are disciplined enough to go ATGATT. I always wear a helmet, jacket ( leather or textile), gloves and some kind of boots. On sport rides, long rides and competitions I'll complete the ensemble with textile riding pants and full length boots. I still don't own moto boots , just heavy-duty work boots. I also am not critical of people who choose not to go ATGATT. I mitigate my risks by being a safe, careful rider but I realize there are always risks. I feel that I balance my risk exposure with a reasonable level of protection. Unfortunately the riders that take the biggest risks usually choose to not protect themselves adequately from the consequences of their actions.
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February 28th, 2015, 05:21 PM | #16 | |
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I could ride without a jacket or gloves, but never without riding boots and armored over-pants. A Kevlar-woven jean will burn your skin and has no impact protection. Learn about the parts of the body more damaged during falls and crashes: http://roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/75.html http://roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/91.html Any rider who let's "convenience" trump safety, simply does not understand the risks that his/her mental attitude is exposing him/her to. It is not that the skin and bones of that rider are going to get hurt if he/she crashes, it is that his/her frame of mind, which is still functioning at a low level of awareness and capability to effectively react, will lead him/her into dangerous situations. He/she has more chances to crash because their lack of proper education. He/she does not know that most crashes result in "inconvenient" injuries and that avoiding that accident is not only possible, but much more "convenient" than testing a protective gear that he/she may or may not be wearing at that particular short trip. Here are some of the facts found by the Hurt report and copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...he_Hurt_Report
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February 28th, 2015, 05:32 PM | #17 |
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@ Motofool , Great post Hernan!
The stats make me reconsider my protection strategy and be more concerned about leg and foot injuries. many thanks!!!
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February 28th, 2015, 05:47 PM | #18 |
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February 28th, 2015, 06:41 PM | #19 | |
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This is about materials and why the best jean is worst than the worst armored ballistic nylon: https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=128174
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February 28th, 2015, 09:06 PM | #20 |
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My commuting and traveling gear are pretty much the same...other than my kevlar jeans everything else is pretty much race ready.
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February 28th, 2015, 09:18 PM | #21 |
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Okay my turn for my 2¢,
I am a avid A.T.G.A.T.T, doesn't make a difference if it's a short or long ride, I have many options from a one piece leathers, down to Kevlar riding jeans I also have Bohn bodyguard system, which is an awesome thing to have, for impact protection, it's all CE rated, and fits under regular clothing, and nobody else knows it. I call it my superhero armour https://www.bohnarmor.com/ One thing that owners forget is the safety of their passenger, even more important that your own I feel, hence I have a few set of gear for them as well. I feel very strongly about keeping myself and my passenger safe. Just go to www.rockthegear.org and read my friend's story, she was the passenger. Case and point, a few years ago I got a call from my daughter, and she found herself stranded, I detoured to her, I was on my bike. When I got to her, obviously she had had, no gear. Waiting for someone else to come and pick her up wasn't an option(long story) So I proceeded to give her all my gear, helmet, jacket, overpants, gloves. I know what your gonna say, but it was my only daughter, she was in trouble, and I had no other options, so I made sure if anything did happen, at least she would be safe, I couldn't live with myself any other way. I just took it really slow and easy, drove like an old lady going to church on Sunday morning, and all was well.
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February 28th, 2015, 09:57 PM | #22 |
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How do you know?
Dainese jeans do have impact protection built in, and you can buy additional armor. I mean, it's not racing leathers, but they do offer protection.
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March 1st, 2015, 11:07 AM | #23 | |
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I have seen similar injuries in riders wearing dragging jeans. Kevlar and cotton have the same heat transfer coefficient: 0.04 watts/(m-K). I have not seen the same phenomenon from 600D and above weight Cordura. Maybe because its coefficient of friction is much lower than denim and less temperature is developed during a slide; I don't really know. What I know: That, with enough pressure on it, denim tries harder to grab the rough asphalt surface, reason for which is easily teared and in need of threads of Kevlar as reinforcement. The dragging jeans have internal patches of Kevlar as a second and stronger layer of protection against rash. Depending on quality and severity of slide, those patches can also break and expose skin. Good CE approved armor is normally bulky because it is made to absorb impact energy and should cover at least knees and hips. Thin armor suitable for jeans may be good enough, but only if manufactured with the proper materials and certified. Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_armor
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March 1st, 2015, 07:02 PM | #24 |
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Kevlar has saved me at 40mph twice, but like motofool said it can burn you. All I got was a light scuff on the knee of the pants, but underneath was a nasty "burn" and friction rub that started bleeding. I can deal with that since it was just a rub burn, but if it had been a blunt force impact or a piercing object I would have been done for.
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March 1st, 2015, 07:37 PM | #25 |
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Hence wearing proper gear, when I wear my Kevlar jeans, etc I also where the Bohn bodyguard system underneath, abrasion and impact.
One without the other is pointless to assure complete protection.
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March 1st, 2015, 08:02 PM | #26 | |
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I feel the need to share this posting from the EX-500.COM that happened back in 2009, but it's a timeless story,
the lessons from my mistake (somewhat graphic, be careful) It's a simple enough story, that went totally wrong, by a fellow forum member by the name of mgbenny Here is his first post in the long thread, which has over 30,000 views. Quote:
And why I'm such a strong supporter of her cause, and A.T.G.A.T.T. If this post saves just one person, it is worth it, and makes one think before riding with no gear.
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March 1st, 2015, 08:49 PM | #27 |
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@Alex this would make a great topic for a sticky
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March 1st, 2015, 09:43 PM | #28 |
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I think ill wear my gear to work now...
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March 1st, 2015, 09:46 PM | #29 |
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With so many options and types of choices for gear these days, there is no reason not to ride without it, unless that's one's personal decision, just make sure you understand what's at stake.
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March 8th, 2015, 06:20 PM | #30 |
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In a generation or two, ATGATT will hopefully be commonplace
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March 8th, 2015, 09:22 PM | #31 |
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One can only hope, but we need to educate them now.
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March 8th, 2015, 09:31 PM | #32 |
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Met a guy at work who has been riding for less time than me on a suzuki bandit 1200 with no gear at all. I didnt lecture him or anything, just said "wow, thats a bad idea" and kept shooting the **** with him. Hope he doesnt have to learn the hard way.
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March 8th, 2015, 09:40 PM | #33 |
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There's an old saying
" there are two types of bikers, one's that have laid it down, and one's that haven't yet" I have done one lowside , at a slow speed, yes I was wearing my gear, the bike took way more damage than I did.
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March 8th, 2015, 09:55 PM | #34 |
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As a person who has crashed with out gear and with gear I say ride how ever you want.
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March 8th, 2015, 10:13 PM | #35 |
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Absolutely, I'm not a gear Nazi, I just recommend to a new rider and share my knowledge, after that it's up to them.
Even my own children, but I told them if want a bike, you will take the MSF course first.
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March 8th, 2015, 10:40 PM | #36 |
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Yeah, for sure. I even dont like helmet laws. Although, if a loved one wants to ride, ill even go as far as to buy gear for them so theyll feel like an ungrateful dick when they ride without it. Not great gear, but something.
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Safety Bump
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Name: Al
Location: Orange County, CA
Join Date: Dec 2015 Motorcycle(s): Thruxton R, R6 450 triple, EX300 (sold) Posts: 263
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Requoting to emphasize. Riders have to remember that we are responsible for the life of our passenger. When we squid, we do it knowing full well the risks and horror stories. Passengers usually do not know of the actual risks they are taking by hopping on the back. It is the duty of the rider to properly protect the passenger against risks they have not contemplated. Like you Ghost, I make sure my passengers are fully decked out. They get the better, full coverage gear when we go for a spin. |
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February 12th, 2017, 06:30 AM | #40 |
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Name: Harper
Location: NC Milkshake stand
Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much.
MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16
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I hear that's what the person that made the first gear said... An look at us now
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