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If that was a stupid act then I guess about 75% of us are just as stupid....
Admittedly, the poll at the link below doesn't include the responsibility to decide whether the car you're passing might be driven by a homicidal maniac. https://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=247624
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October 22nd, 2015, 11:20 AM | #83 |
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October 22nd, 2015, 11:23 AM | #85 |
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October 22nd, 2015, 01:55 PM | #86 |
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October 22nd, 2015, 02:32 PM | #87 | |
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Something I try to do is minimise the time I spend in a dangerous position. For example: if I'm passing a vehicle as soon as I get to the point where I'm committed and braking isn't an option, I pin the throttle. I can't say for sure whether it would have helped the downed-rider in this video.
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October 22nd, 2015, 06:22 PM | #89 |
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When operating a motorcycle its your responsibility even more so with some one one the back to ride in a responsible manor. Not saying what the guy did was right and the guy should have never done it but the fact is if the rider would have been operating his bike at a slower safer speed and not in a manner that put his or the passengers life at risk he would have been able to stop in time.
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October 22nd, 2015, 06:23 PM | #90 |
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October 22nd, 2015, 07:20 PM | #91 | |
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That's equivalent to saying that if a girl dresses in a revealing fashion that she deserves to get raped because she brought attention to herself. Your basically saying that if she would have dressed conservatively she wouldn't have got raped, therefor it's her fault. That's just plain wrong. The fact is, the motorcyclist, while breaking the law, was operating in a safe manner. He WOULD NOT HAVE CRASHED if it wasn't for the asshat in the car. |
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2) apples and oranges, no comparison whatsoever. There is a huge difference between overtaking a slow ass driver and driving like a maniac on the streets... Clearly you don't see the difference. 3) The cop is doing his job, it's his JOB to take off idiots from the road in as safe a manner as possible, that old guy was just an asshat being over smart and nearly killing two people. The cop would not have deliberately rammed into them like that. Either you're just trolling, or you really have a very different way of thinking, either way, I'm done saying what I had to say... |
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What is apples and oranges?
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Yellow line crossing occurs all the time, for legitimate and illegitimate reasons. Yet, in this case the unexpected result was a successful attempt to inflict grievous bodily harm with depraved indifference. Note: The driver of the car had no idea of the condition of the passenger. For all he knew, she was dead or dying. "I don't care." If one wants to make statements like "Well, they had that coming", then one also has to make those statements when you hear about a kid being shot through the door just because they knocked on the wrong door on Halloween. That kid should have taken responsibility to not knock on the wrong door. BTW, this isn't the first time a driver has deliberately tried to kill a rider: https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles...clist_off_the/ In that one the driver was drunk, and endangered many other lives that day. That rider, too, didn't deserve to be attacked, just like this one didn't, and the next one won't. |
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No one here is saying the psychopath is not 100% at fault. You are the only one who said the rider "had it coming". You are not seeing the point though you're justified outrage. The rider did not invite the driver to run him over, he did make it easy and to compound that he did not protect himself physically or financially from people like that. I would have passed Crum under the same circumstances and I believe I could have avoided him and if not I would have no need to start a "fund me" campaign. The rider made many dumb mistakes that should be identified and called out on so we do not repeat them.
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October 23rd, 2015, 07:12 AM | #98 |
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Are we watching the same video?
He's nowhere near the center line..... can't find one image where he is. Happy to be proved wrong if you can. Said multiple times... he wasn't riding aggressively, at high speed, or crowding.
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October 23rd, 2015, 07:21 AM | #99 |
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yep look at that image, he is in the danger zone. look at all that road to the left he could be using. instead this POS is trying to intimidate by passing close to the line and those in front of him.
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I see your common sense outlook on this, but here is another dose of common sense for you. People can't live their life holding back like that, it would be totally dull and unhappy. Taking controlled chances are just as much a part of life as anything else. That new job, that new relationship, divorce (yea... not all are good), speeding, passing bla bla bla. Bottom line, if the cager hadn't done what he did, the most that would have been wasted is a little bit of time and gas. The cager seen those cars ahead just the same, so why do something completely unneeded to slow them down? It simply falls into the category of "it's all about me", nothing more (both parties but one went above and beyond). Which is why one got a ticket, the other is in jail.
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Old guy trolls traffic with extra slow speed, then attempts to block those that pass.
Same thing on the freeway when the fast lane is blocked by a 60 mph SUV then when trying to pass they'll match you all the way up to 95 mph to block you getting around them for whatever reason, then slow down back to 60 ... then I slip around the whole mess in the slowest lane, 3 minutes later they are doing 110, cut everyone off, and slam on the brakes again ... why do people drive like that? |
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The biker was in the tiretrack nearest the centerline while passing. He may not have been crowding the car, but he certainly wasn't giving him a wide berth either. It's hard to tell how fast he was going, and "excessive" is subjective. Since the cameraman comes up on the other bike just before this happens, we don't have much context. Based on the cager's history and "I don't care" comments, I think there's a good chance he deliberately swerved at the bike. I doubt he specifically meant to hurt people - probably just trying to scare "those jackass crotch rocket kids" or whatever. Even if the biker was being a jerk, they didn't deserve to get run over. I'm not trying to blame the victim at all, but he seemed to do very little to avoid the bad situation. It looks like the cager swerves in front of him, and the bike actually runs into the back corner of the car (as opposed to truly sideswiping the bike). Maybe it's just a crappy taillight, but I didn't see a brakelight, and he had more roadway to the left he could've used to avoid the car (since he was closer to the centerline). In addition to passing on the solid line, there's also the issue of passing multiple cars at once. I was told in driver ed that it was illegal, but it seems to vary and/or be a gray area based on some quick Googling. Even if it's legal, it adds more complexity to a passing situation. There is a hill coming up (watch the SUV in front of the car disappear over it), so perhaps it was marked with a solid line for a reason (though he does seem to have enough visibility to make the pass). As riders, we know how bad cagers can be when they're simply being inattentive. We know that we have to be proactive in keeping ourselves safe. We shouldn't have to worry about cagers actively trying to run us down. However, being prepared for inattentive drivers should go a long way in helping us to avoid malicious drivers too. What if he had been passing someone and they sneezed at that exact moment and jerked the wheel? The outcome could've been exactly the same. If you're passing someone to get away from their bad driving, you need to be taking their bad driving into account while you're passing them too. I think this biker made a number of bad choices which, had he not, it wouldn't have turned out like this. The cager shouldn't have swerved at the bike (assuming it was intentional), but the biker could've done a number of things differently to avoid the situation. It's one thing for a kid to randomly get shot for trick-or-treating at the wrong door. It's another for a kid to "go trick-or-treating" dressed as a rival gangmember in the depths of the hood where shootings are known to commonly occur. There's a difference between taking reasonable measures to ensure your own safety vs. technically not doing anything wrong and expecting everything to turn out perfectly.
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The moral element of this video is simple to understand. The biker did absolutely nothing morally wrong. He did not cause any harm or loss to the driver in any way. The driver [for whatever reason... it doesn't matter really] tried and succeeded in shunting the bikers using his car as a weapon. The driver could have easily killed them both. In actuality he injured them and damaged their property. The driver is a scum bag. The world will be a slightly nicer and a slightly safer place to live in when his corpse is 6ft under. Not complicated.
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Good to hear that.
Reading the comments under that thread was so predictable. I think the one I agree with most is about the levels of assh0le. If the bikers is a level 1 assh0le, then the drivers is level 8 or 9. Honestly, I think if the biker got a ticket for ticket for passing in no passing zone, then all is right in the world in regards for punishment for assholery.
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