New V-Rossi 3-4.5" or 3-5.5" rim set $215

NinjaZX6R123 · May 15th, 2014, 10:02 PM

After looking EVERYWHERE for these rims I have finally found someone in Indonesia selling the new set of V-Rossi rims for 2009-2012 carbed model Ninja 250R. The old model that Andy was selling is discontinued in Indonesia. I had to dig all over the Indonesia forums and use translator. LOL

This person is selling a set of front 3" and rear 4.5" or front 3" and rear 5.5" for $215. 3 days shipping $260 and 3 months shipping $95. So if you have 3 months to wait it'll be total $310.

I just ordered me a set of 3-4.5" because the 3-5.5" requires swingarm mods. I do not know if this person is legit and although he claims it's plug and play, I am not sure. When or if I receive the rims I will find out.

If you are interested message me and I'll give you his Blackberry PIN #. Just download BB Messenger and tell him 'Thai' referred you. His English is good enough to understand. You might want to wait if you're afraid to lose money. I jumped on this quick because once he realizes the price people in the U.S. are willing to pay, I'm sure he'll increase the price.

Below is pictures of the new set of rims. As you can see, the style looks like the one Andy was selling for the Ninja 300.

cbinker · May 15th, 2014, 10:28 PM

why do i get the feeling this is a scam?

NinjaZX6R123 · May 15th, 2014, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

why do i get the feeling this is a scam?

I hope this isn't a scam to be honest. If you want to wait, I'll let you know if it's a scam or not. If not, I'll post pictures once it's on my bike.

I am not a scammer though. Just trying to help the Ninjette community out bro. If you look at my older thread, I ordered the 31BLK street fighter kit from Josh Brasse as well. The kit has yet to arrive as he claims to be super busy and also, I had him do some custom work on the existing kit. He even made a bracket for my Koso RX2 gauge. Will update that thread once everything is set up.

Also, while looking for these rims I found out that the old rims are sold for $95 USD in Indonesia. Damn they have it good regarding price wise.

EsrTek · May 16th, 2014, 04:20 AM

OP went out and found this deal, it's not like it found him....therefore highly doubt it's a scam.
GL w purchase..hope they fit plug and play as claimed..should look good w bigger rear on that kit you got.

Somchai · May 16th, 2014, 05:13 AM

From my experience buying parts in Indonesia you shouldn't look at it as scam.
Good luck anyway.

cbinker · May 16th, 2014, 09:31 AM

When I see Western Union, I instantly think scam. Just have seen stories on other forums.

psych0hans · May 16th, 2014, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

After looking EVERYWHERE for these rims I have finally found someone in Indonesia selling the new set of V-Rossi rims for 2009-2012 carbed model Ninja 250R. The old model that Andy was selling is discontinued in Indonesia. I had to dig all over the Indonesia forums and use translator. LOL

This person is selling a set of front 3" and rear 4.5" or front 3" and rear 5.5" shipped through DHL and paid through Western Union. All said and done, $215 USD.

I just ordered me a set of 3-4.5" because the 3-5.5" requires swingarm mods. I do not know if this person is legit and although he claims it's plug and play, I am not sure. When or if I receive the rims I will find out. If I lose $215, I'll manage to live.

If you are interested message me and I'll give you his Blackberry PIN #. Just download BB Messenger and tell him 'Thai' referred you. His English is good enough to understand. You might want to wait if you're afraid to lose money. I jumped on this quick because once he realizes the price people in the U.S. are willing to pay, I'm sure he'll increase the price.

Below is pictures of the new set of rims. As you can see, the style looks like the one Andy was selling for the Ninja 300.

Mind sharing a link? I would love a set of these and at 213$ it doesn't seem too pricey... Do let us know the weight if the rims once you get it too...

NinjaZX6R123 · May 16th, 2014, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psych0hans

Mind sharing a link? I would love a set of these and at 213$ it doesn't seem too pricey... Do let us know the weight if the rims once you get it too...

There isn't a link of the product and when I found the seller it was in Indonesian language of him saying he sells rims. I will update with weight but as of now I am still waiting for it to be shipped, which should be tonight. For $215 it's a great price since you're getting the front and rear.

Hopefully the seller will come through.

NinjaZX6R123 · May 16th, 2014, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

When I see Western Union, I instantly think scam. Just have seen stories on other forums.

I agree. When ordering from other countries and they only accept wire transfer it's always a risk. I guess I'm being the guinea pig for people who are interested in these set of rim.

GHill762 · May 16th, 2014, 12:24 PM

isn't that just a ninja 300 OEM rim?

maybe look for someone parting out a 300, you may pay a little more but you'll be able to get it in the US and possibly from another member

NinjaZX6R123 · May 16th, 2014, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHill762

isn't that just a ninja 300 OEM rim?

maybe look for someone parting out a 300, you may pay a little more but you'll be able to get it in the US and possibly from another member

If it is, I'm about to find out soon.

I believe the stock Ninja 300 rear is 4". So it looks similar with different measurement. These are 4.5" or 5.5" depending on which size you want to get.

Does the stock Ninja 300 rim fit the Ninja 250? I haven't read of anyone doing that yet.

GHill762 · May 16th, 2014, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

If it is, I'm about to find out soon.

I believe the stock Ninja 300 rear is 4". So it looks similar with different measurement. These are 4.5" or 5.5" depending on which size you want to get.

Does the stock Ninja 300 rim fit the Ninja 250? I haven't read of anyone doing that yet.

I think you're right, I think the 300 stock rim is 4", but that's exactly what they look like..

NinjaZX6R123 · May 16th, 2014, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHill762

I think you're right, I think the 300 stock rim is 4", but that's exactly what they look like..

Yeah they do. Unless you are right and they are the same. I'll have to wait and see. I like the look of the other rims better to be honest in the other rim thread as they look like the more expensive rims that's sold in the U.S. Too bad that model has been discontinued. Also, while searching for rims in Indonesia I found out that there's two different types. Carb and FI. They mostly carry FI models which the front rim has 3 or 5 bolts instead of our 6. This is probably why Andy and Sportisi only sells the rear.

NinjaZX6R123 · May 16th, 2014, 08:31 PM

Great. I knew the rims + shipping = $215 was too good to be true for Indonesia.

3 days shipping (air) = $260
3 months shipping (sea) = $95

I chose 3 days because I can't wait 3 months. Besides it's the money from the stock fairings and tires I sold.

Will update once it gets here. If this is legit... then $310 is still a fair deal if you have 3 months to wait.

psych0hans · May 16th, 2014, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

There isn't a link of the product and when I found the seller it was in Indonesian language of him saying he sells rims. I will update with weight but as of now I am still waiting for it to be shipped, which should be tonight. For $215 it's a great price since you're getting the front and rear.

Hopefully the seller will come through.

You found it on the internet I assume?

NinjaZX6R123 · May 16th, 2014, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psych0hans

You found it on the internet I assume?

Yes, but it was in a thread talking about rims. So I didn't save the link. Just sent him a BB message. If you're interested I can give you his BB PIN.

Once I verify that this seller is legit and the rims fit. I will update the first post with pictures and his BB PIN.

Here's a link I also found of someone selling the same rims but this is for the FI model. The front won't fit the USA Ninja 250.
http://otomotif.pelapak.com/velg-nin...l#.U3bf9LkU-M8

psych0hans · May 16th, 2014, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

Yes, but it was in a thread talking about rims. So I didn't save the link. Just sent him a BB message. If you're interested I can give you his BB PIN.

Once I verify that this seller is legit and the rims fit. I will update the first post with pictures and his BB PIN.

Here's a link I also found of someone selling the same rims but this is for the FI model. The front won't fit the USA Ninja 250.
http://otomotif.pelapak.com/velg-nin...l#.U3bf9LkU-M8

Thank you

mania · May 17th, 2014, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

I agree. When ordering from other countries and they only accept wire transfer it's always a risk. I guess I'm being the guinea pig for people who are interested in these set of rim.

Nah no worries
It is done this way in Asia
Payment is usually by bank transfer
In fact here folks openly give their 10 digit account number & you can just transfer payment from your account to theirs completely online.

Banking here is actually easier than my home in the USA
Seems very secure too.
As soon as you log in you get a email confirm etc.

You set up the transfer & your bank sms you a one time password you
need to input into the online transfer & then all done under 3 minutes.
No fees

So most Asian businesses here do not want to deal with credit cards
especially from a foreign country although some do.
+ their 2% fees etc. As they operate on a tight profit margin

But yes I think you will be fine & this is quite normal here

NinjaZX6R123 · May 22nd, 2014, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

Nah no worries
It is done this way in Asia
Payment is usually by bank transfer
In fact here folks openly give their 10 digit account number & you can just transfer payment from your account to theirs completely online.

Banking here is actually easier than my home in the USA
Seems very secure too.
As soon as you log in you get a email confirm etc.

You set up the transfer & your bank sms you a one time password you
need to input into the online transfer & then all done under 3 minutes.
No fees

So most Asian businesses here do not want to deal with credit cards
especially from a foreign country although some do.
+ their 2% fees etc. As they operate on a tight profit margin

But yes I think you will be fine & this is quite normal here

You're right bro. The rims arrived today. There's always a risk though, but thanks for the post it made me feel more secure.

NinjaZX6R123 · May 22nd, 2014, 01:05 PM

So the rims came today. The packaging is terrible as it's in the factory box with no protection. The rims are brand new but due to packaging it came in there was a minor paint chip on the lip of the front rim. No big deal though. Nothing but some touch up paint can't fix. I'm happy with this order.

Tomorrow I plan to install these rims onto the bike and will post more pictures of it on the 250.

csmith12 · May 22nd, 2014, 01:55 PM

felo · May 22nd, 2014, 02:37 PM

from a far, they look like ninja 300 rims

mania · May 23rd, 2014, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

You're right bro. The rims arrived today. There's always a risk though, but thanks for the post it made me feel more secure.

Good deal & rims look good.
On the packing yes that did not look like much packing but on the
other hand many Indo shops want to crazy over pack in wood crates.
As you can imagine it drives the shipping weight/costs into overdrive

Congrats

subxero · May 23rd, 2014, 04:41 AM

just out of curiosity, why did you want the larger wheels? just looks I assume? which is fine, not hatin, just wondering?

cbinker · May 23rd, 2014, 07:43 AM

good to hear things worked out, so far.

NinjaZX6R123 · May 23rd, 2014, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mania

Good deal & rims look good.
On the packing yes that did not look like much packing but on the
other hand many Indo shops want to crazy over pack in wood crates.
As you can imagine it drives the shipping weight/costs into overdrive

Congrats

True. However, if I knew, I'd ask him to at least put some news paper around the rims and in the box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by subxero

just out of curiosity, why did you want the larger wheels? just looks I assume? which is fine, not hatin, just wondering?

Yeah. For looks. I'm converting it to a street fighter which will look silly on narrow wheels. If it was a track bike I'd keep the stock wheels.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

good to hear things worked out, so far.

Thanks. I'll find out today if it actually fits. ha

NinjaZX6R123 · May 23rd, 2014, 03:21 PM

Ugh.. so it doesn't fit. Tried to put on the rear and the brake rotors doesn't line up correctly... Oh wells.. live and learn.

Well, that's that. ha.

crazymadbastard · May 23rd, 2014, 06:37 PM

Gonna probably need to swap the swingarm.

NinjaZX6R123 · May 23rd, 2014, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazymadbastard

Gonna probably need to swap the swingarm.

You're right about that, but I rather not. I got the front to fit but had to add a washer to make it a good fit. I'll just get the rear somewhere else. I knew I should've bit the bullet and paid for the Gale Speed rims. Twice I have ordered from Indonesia and was disappointed. Never again.

They're great for aftermarket mods when you don't care for quality.

crazymadbastard · May 24th, 2014, 08:06 AM

Look for a 300 swing arm. I think that a ex500 could.fit with slight mod to width at axis.

psych0hans · May 24th, 2014, 08:20 AM

Somchai · May 24th, 2014, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazymadbastard

Look for a 300 swing arm. I think that a ex500 could.fit with slight mod to width at axis.

The 300 swing arm is the same like the 250, so that's a waste of money.

csmith12 · May 24th, 2014, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psych0hans

Hi! Are you from Kentucky?

InvisiBill · May 25th, 2014, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Somchai

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazymadbastard

Look for a 300 swing arm. I think that a ex500 could.fit with slight mod to width at axis.

The 300 swing arm is the same like the 250, so that's a waste of money.

And the 500 swingarm is pretty close. The main swingarm part is basically the same. However, the pivot tube (where it mounts between the sides of the frame) is 7mm wider, at least the front chainguard mount is in a different location and weaker, and there's less room around the shock. All the rear wheel parts will swap over, but as far as I can tell it's a downgrade in a few ways, and not even a direct swap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

Ugh.. so it doesn't fit. Tried to put on the rear and the brake rotors doesn't line up correctly... Oh wells.. live and learn.

Well, that's that. ha. :doh::(

I'm kind of surprised that it wouldn't fit, as it's supposed to fit the exact bike you're putting it on, on top of all these little Ninjas being pretty similar. Double-check and make sure all the spacers are in the right spot and everything's seated properly?

If it helps at all, my (not yet installed) old-style wheels from Andy measure about 70mm from the centerline of the wheel to the rotor mounting surface. I used my digital caliper, but the shape of the wheel doesn't work well for lining up both points, so there was a bit of eyeballing involved. That might at least tell you if your wheel is way off from mine.

NinjaZX6R123 · May 25th, 2014, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisiBill

If it helps at all, my (not yet installed) old-style wheels from Andy measure about 70mm from the centerline of the wheel to the rotor mounting surface. I used my digital caliper, but the shape of the wheel doesn't work well for lining up both points, so there was a bit of eyeballing involved. That might at least tell you if your wheel is way off from mine.

Thanks for the info. I'll probably double check later. I'm surprised it doesn't fit either. Might have to go buy a different 4.5" rear.

crazymadbastard · May 25th, 2014, 02:14 PM

Give you $
50 for it!

EsrTek · May 26th, 2014, 06:31 AM

I thought with a wider rim, you'll have to make a custom mount bracket to re-position the brake caliper.
I swear I remember seeing that here somewhere....I'm to busy right now to try to find it..

Somchai · May 26th, 2014, 07:07 AM

Maybe it would have been better to get the Chemco, since they are real good quality, but they have two discs in the front (what you must not use)
http://www.empiremotoshop.com/produc...sc/?o=termahal
If you look for another swing arm, here you find could one
http://www.empiremotoshop.com/produc...2/0/Swing-arm/

InvisiBill · May 27th, 2014, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EsrTek

I thought with a wider rim, you'll have to make a custom mount bracket to re-position the brake caliper.
I swear I remember seeing that here somewhere....I'm to busy right now to try to find it..

At least with Andy's VRossi wheels, the hub area is the same size, so the disc stays in the same place relative to the swingarm. Only the outer area of the wheel (where the tire sits) is wider.

Also, I got my rear wheel installed this weekend, and it fit no problem.

Swann · May 27th, 2014, 12:21 PM

I have a 2011 250 and mounted the rear rim of the newer 2013, which allows me to use a 140 rear tire.

It mounted fine, no additional mods needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaZX6R123

Does the stock Ninja 300 rim fit the Ninja 250? I haven't read of anyone doing that yet.

May 15th, 2014, 10:02 PM	#1
NinjaZX6R123 ninjette.org guru Name: Ninja Location: USA Join Date: Mar 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja ZX6R, 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 256	New V-Rossi 3-4.5" or 3-5.5" rim set $215 After looking EVERYWHERE for these rims I have finally found someone in Indonesia selling the new set of V-Rossi rims for 2009-2012 carbed model Ninja 250R. The old model that Andy was selling is discontinued in Indonesia. I had to dig all over the Indonesia forums and use translator. LOL This person is selling a set of front 3" and rear 4.5" or front 3" and rear 5.5" for $215. 3 days shipping $260 and 3 months shipping $95. So if you have 3 months to wait it'll be total $310. I just ordered me a set of 3-4.5" because the 3-5.5" requires swingarm mods. I do not know if this person is legit and although he claims it's plug and play, I am not sure. When or if I receive the rims I will find out. If you are interested message me and I'll give you his Blackberry PIN #. Just download BB Messenger and tell him 'Thai' referred you. His English is good enough to understand. You might want to wait if you're afraid to lose money. I jumped on this quick because once he realizes the price people in the U.S. are willing to pay, I'm sure he'll increase the price. Below is pictures of the new set of rims. As you can see, the style looks like the one Andy was selling for the Ninja 300. Last futzed with by NinjaZX6R123; May 16th, 2014 at 08:44 PM.

May 15th, 2014, 10:28 PM	#2
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	why do i get the feeling this is a scam? __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

May 16th, 2014, 09:31 AM	#6
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	When I see Western Union, I instantly think scam. Just have seen stories on other forums. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

May 22nd, 2014, 01:55 PM	#21
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May 23rd, 2014, 04:41 AM	#24
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	just out of curiosity, why did you want the larger wheels? just looks I assume? which is fine, not hatin, just wondering? __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.

May 16th, 2014, 04:20 AM	#4
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	OP went out and found this deal, it's not like it found him....therefore highly doubt it's a scam. GL w purchase..hope they fit plug and play as claimed..should look good w bigger rear on that kit you got.

May 16th, 2014, 05:13 AM	#5
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	From my experience buying parts in Indonesia you shouldn't look at it as scam. Good luck anyway.

May 16th, 2014, 12:24 PM	#10
GHill762 ninjette.org member Name: Garrett Location: Illinois - Midwest USA Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): ZX-3R (ok, ex300) Posts: 160	isn't that just a ninja 300 OEM rim? maybe look for someone parting out a 300, you may pay a little more but you'll be able to get it in the US and possibly from another member

May 16th, 2014, 08:31 PM	#14
NinjaZX6R123 ninjette.org guru Name: Ninja Location: USA Join Date: Mar 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja ZX6R, 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 256	Great. I knew the rims + shipping = $215 was too good to be true for Indonesia. 3 days shipping (air) = $260 3 months shipping (sea) = $95 I chose 3 days because I can't wait 3 months. Besides it's the money from the stock fairings and tires I sold. Will update once it gets here. If this is legit... then $310 is still a fair deal if you have 3 months to wait.

May 22nd, 2014, 01:05 PM	#20
NinjaZX6R123 ninjette.org guru Name: Ninja Location: USA Join Date: Mar 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja ZX6R, 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 256	So the rims came today. The packaging is terrible as it's in the factory box with no protection. The rims are brand new but due to packaging it came in there was a minor paint chip on the lip of the front rim. No big deal though. Nothing but some touch up paint can't fix. I'm happy with this order. Tomorrow I plan to install these rims onto the bike and will post more pictures of it on the 250.

May 22nd, 2014, 02:37 PM	#22
felo ninjette.org member Name: Carlos Location: Puerto Rico Join Date: Jan 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 300R Posts: 181	from a far, they look like ninja 300 rims

May 23rd, 2014, 07:43 AM	#25
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	good to hear things worked out, so far. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

May 23rd, 2014, 03:21 PM	#27
NinjaZX6R123 ninjette.org guru Name: Ninja Location: USA Join Date: Mar 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja ZX6R, 2009 Ninja 250R Posts: 256	Ugh.. so it doesn't fit. Tried to put on the rear and the brake rotors doesn't line up correctly... Oh wells.. live and learn. Well, that's that. ha.

May 23rd, 2014, 06:37 PM	#28
crazymadbastard I'm crazy,your excuse is? Name: Winston Location: Connecticut Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250 2007 ninja Posts: A lot.	Gonna probably need to swap the swingarm. __________________________________________________ My Cafe Racer Build My intro post

May 24th, 2014, 08:06 AM	#30
crazymadbastard I'm crazy,your excuse is? Name: Winston Location: Connecticut Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250 2007 ninja Posts: A lot.	Look for a 300 swing arm. I think that a ex500 could.fit with slight mod to width at axis. __________________________________________________ My Cafe Racer Build My intro post

May 24th, 2014, 08:20 AM	#31
psych0hans ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Hansveer Location: Bombay, India Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250r - Track whore, Ninja 300 - SOLD, KTM RC390 - Orange Hulk, Ducati 899 Panigale - Red Devil. Posts: A lot.	__________________________________________________ GETTING BACK INTO RIDING? Read this.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

May 25th, 2014, 02:14 PM	#36
crazymadbastard I'm crazy,your excuse is? Name: Winston Location: Connecticut Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250 2007 ninja Posts: A lot.	Give you $ 50 for it! __________________________________________________ My Cafe Racer Build My intro post

May 26th, 2014, 06:31 AM	#37
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	I thought with a wider rim, you'll have to make a custom mount bracket to re-position the brake caliper. I swear I remember seeing that here somewhere....I'm to busy right now to try to find it..

May 26th, 2014, 07:07 AM	#38
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	Maybe it would have been better to get the Chemco, since they are real good quality, but they have two discs in the front (what you must not use) http://www.empiremotoshop.com/produc...sc/?o=termahal If you look for another swing arm, here you find could one http://www.empiremotoshop.com/produc...2/0/Swing-arm/

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