[motorcycle.com] - Riding with a Gun

[csmith12]

I do know and us KY peeps don't be makin' a fuss about things like how others talk and all...

My last trip to CA had me in the boarder patrol office more nervous than a long tailed cat in room full of rocking chairs.

[Rifleman]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

guns absolutely terrify me! They are almost always used to intimidate rather than defend.

Terror is fear of the unknown...

Respect is fear of the known...


Used to defend is a "dog bites man" story, in other words, normal and not news worthy.

Used to intimidate, rob, rape, murder... is a "man bites dog" story, news worthy.


I will relay a personal experience with a friend from church. Very much a
"surface" anti-gun person. I say "surface" because her opposition to firearms was very much what she read in the news, saw on TV, heard about in TIME magazine.

I invited her to come over to my grandmothers farm to just shoot one Sunday after church.

.22LR plinking at some water filled coke cans. 9mm hand guns... .357 Mag hand guns. 20ga pump action Remington shot gun.

by the end of the day she was shooting my .30-06 Springfield


She started learning all the safety precautions (started, because learning all of it is a life long process). Her fear of recoil and loud noises went from unknown to "known".

She told me at the end of the day, she would never have used the words "fun" and "gun" in the same sentence until she went to the range with me.

I wish you were near enough to spend a day on the range. Not saying I would change your mind, but certainly would would give you a new perspective, and something to think about. There are two stages, the first is where terror gives way to respect... and the second is when respect breeds confidence. When you know you hold the ability to protect your life, yourself, in your hands, you have more respect for yourself and those you love.


The reason the article talks about motorcycles and guns going hand in hand, is because both are dangerous, and both are seen by the non-gun and non-motorcycle community as unneeded and unnecessary. Danger, death, dismemberment with no real good coming from it. Remember your mom's opposition to motorcycles?

To those of us who ride... and those of us who carry, we know exactly the offset between good and danger. We accept it and we disagree with those who poo poo us.

[akima]

Ha ha! I saw the latest person to respond to the thread was user "Rifleman". I jumped in with high expectations of a good post. You did not disappoint

[ZeroGravity360]

Originally Posted by akima

Ha ha! I saw the latest person to respond to the thread was user "Rifleman". I jumped in with high expectations of a good post. You did not disappoint

off topic a little bit, how do you mark a post as "helpful"?

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

off topic a little bit, how do you mark a post as "helpful"?

In 834 more posts it will be self evident to you

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

off topic a little bit, how do you mark a post as "helpful"?

Others are taking care of it for you. You must reach 1k posts before being able to grace a post with your approval or disapproval.

"Respect" is earned around these parts.

[Lazarus]

I figure I'll chime in. There are only 3 places I won't concealed carry carry. Those are airports, government facilities, and hospitals other than that it goes with me everywhere. People may disagree with this next statement but guns by themselves aren't dangerous. Now you may be thinking wtf is this kid smoking? But just wait a minute. Does a gun point itself at someone and pull the trigger? No, does a gun draw and point itself at someone in order to intimidate or instill fear? No. People do those things. I've been carrying since I was 21 (I'm 25) I have NEVER had to draw my weapon and I hope i never will. The ONLY reason(s) my weapon leaves its holster is for storage/cleaning or if I/an innocent person is about to lose there life. Also, PA doesn't require you to reveal to an officer you are holstering a concealed firearm until the officer asks you directly. I have had multiple encounters with officers and never once revealed to them I was carrying.

I don't draw because some jackass cut me off, I don't draw because I want to "show off" my firearm, or any of those stupid reasons. I am an avid supporter of concealed carry because its the only way to truly protect yourself. With that being said even carrying a gun doesn't 100% ensure your safety.

*.02 added*

*puts down phone and walks to the fridge for a beer*

[Whiskey]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

guns absolutely terrify me! They are almost always used to intimidate rather than defend.

I always prefered the bayonet for intimidation, nothing like threatning to skewer someone to put the sh1ts up them.

Intimidation can be a powerful defence, even organised criminals didn't like putting up a fight when a group of lads with automatic rifles were backing up the police

You can't spend much from a coffin.

It was very rare for the weapon to even have to be raised, let alone a round fired on those jobs

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by Whiskey

Intimidation can be a powerful defence

As it goes with riding and many other things in life, the best offense is a strong defence.

[NevadaWolf]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Lol, I am just pulling your chain man. So, being from "Canuckerstan", what other toys would we have to worry about? There is a track I am thinking about visiting sometime that is north of the boarder (http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/). Not that I worry about such things on the way to the track, but I don't like surprises either. Liquor, cigarettes, medications?

The joy of just having got a NEXUS card is I got the whole list of what's not allowed, but here's a good resource:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-vo...c-eng.html#a2d

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

The joy of just having got a NEXUS card is I got the whole list of what's not allowed, but here's a good resource:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-vo...c-eng.html#a2d

Beans.... yea, I would have known all about that.

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Beans.... yea, I would have known all about that.

It's a slippery slope Sir!

[NevadaWolf]

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

I trust you know of our habit of saying Sorry and y'all seem to get a kick out of how we pronounce about!

I just found a cool article explaining why we struggle with your "aboat".

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles...ians-say-about

[toEleven]

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

I just found a cool article explaining why we struggle with your "aboat".

http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles...ians-say-about

Cool, although the author kept explaining things with references to other things that were equally unfamiliar to me (Mt Shasta? Something apparently unusual about Blink-182's vocals?). They also went with Drake and Poutine as their prime examples of Canadian 'exports'...which is a befuddling choice for me. I love that the phrase turtles all the way down was used...but I failed to draw a connection between the fallacy it represents and the thing they were actually talking about (infinite regression vs an admitted lack of data from which to infer causality). Weird article all around.

My own personal American ignorance believed that 'aboot' was not a Canada-wide thing, but a weirdness isolated to Newfies or some other eastern Canadian population.

[SLOWn60]

There's 6 regional accents in Canada: Newfie (it's a stretch calling it English! Lol!) Eastern Canada (Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick), Toronto & lesser so Ontario, Western Canada, the North and Quebec. I find it fairly easy to hear the difference. By the way; most Canadians say about: ab+out. And yes; aboot is more a Newfie pronunciation.

[VaFish]

How did we go from guns on bikes to Canadian accents?

[RacinNinja]

Originally Posted by VaFish

How did we go from guns on bikes to Canadian accents?

Very carefully.

[Brother Michigan]

Originally Posted by VaFish

How did we go from guns on bikes to Canadian accents?

Originally Posted by RacinNinja

Very carefully.

So carefully that @csmith12 didn't even notice this time.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by VaFish

How did we go from guns on bikes to Canadian accents?

Seems like a normal thread in Ninjette.org

[SLOWn60]

Umm...Sorry, eh?

[crazymadbastard]

Originally Posted by ZeroGravity360

guns absolutely terrify me! They are almost always used to intimidate rather than defend.

motorcyclists used to scare me until I got to know you guys!

[crazymadbastard]

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

Umm...Sorry, eh?

g'day mate!

[VaFish]

Originally Posted by crazymadbastard

g'day mate!

Now you are getting the Australian accent in there. Although I can swing either way, Growing up in Northern MN isn't too different from Canada, and I spent 6 years living in the Outback.

[allanoue]

Here is a man from Oz talking about guns

Link to original page on YouTube.

[jkv45]

Originally Posted by allanoue

Here is a man from Oz talking about guns

Link to original page on YouTube.

That's funny ****!

I love standup comedy.

[InvisiBill]

Originally Posted by akima

What terrifies you? A gun on a table or a gun in the hand of someone threatening or attempting to do harm to you?

I've seen guns on tables before and they were quite polite really. They mostly kept to themselves and let me get on with my business.

http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/


Full disclosure, my own Colt AR-15 assault rifle with 30 round magazine has killed some stumps, cardboard, and 2L bottles.

[akima]

@allanoue - I've seen that before. It made me cringe so bad: IIRC he created a salad of straw-man arguments, appeals to emotion and presented misleading information in order to support his immoral position on weapons.

Politically charged comedy often makes me cringe even if I agree with the comedians conclusions, because the comedian has the power to make bad arguments which amount to nothing more than sophistry, but you're not aloud to call them out on it because "it's just comedy mate: I was just havin' a laugh. No need to take it serious." Those that are unaware of that sophistic trick, are vulnerable to a very powerful form of propaganda; that being: messages, conclusions, statements and value judgements which you are not permitted to defend against.

Yuc.

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by akima

@allanoue - I've seen that before. It made me cringe so bad: IIRC he created a salad of straw-man arguments, appeals to emotion and presented misleading information in order to support his immoral position on weapons.

Politically charged comedy often makes me cringe even if I agree with the comedians conclusions, because the comedian has the power to make bad arguments which amount to nothing more than sophistry, but you're not aloud to call them out on it because "it's just comedy mate: I was just havin' a laugh. No need to take it serious." Those that are unaware of that sophistic trick, are vulnerable to very powerful form of propaganda; that being: messages, conclusions, statements and value judgements which you are not permitted to defend against.

Yuc.

I do not agree with a lot of what he said but it sure was funny IMO.

[toEleven]

He lost me at "the only argument is '**** off, I like guns'".

[SLOWn60]

The good news is that on this ninjette forum: even though "Tire Wars 2016 has less posts; it has more views!