June 22nd, 2013, 03:59 PM | #1 |
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Heartbreaking riding accident for my friend
I am the rider of the red ninja behind the black/grey R6. From my POV and from observing the video numerous times the R6 exited the turn a bit wide from the videos POV. From my POV i just saw him straighten up his bike and at that point i realized he is going straight into the wall with no turn space wat so ever. I couldnt avoid it no matter how u look at it. From a play and pause POV for the video i was just way to close behind him to even have any reaction time the second he impacted the wall. I couldnt turn left anymore as i was already pretty leaned. If i straightened up i risk hitting him and running into the wall. I ended low siding instead. For my story of why i crashed I was just too close behind him and didint give myself any space. Any feedback on this entire incident is much appreciated.
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June 22nd, 2013, 04:07 PM | #2 |
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Well glad y'all are alive and kicking. Video doesn't work btw.
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June 22nd, 2013, 04:23 PM | #3 |
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No much to see or discuss.
Glad everyone made it home. Group riding seldom ends up well, .............too much testosterone together maybe?
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June 22nd, 2013, 04:38 PM | #4 | |
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Yeah im glad everyone made it as well. And yeah i realize that now. Group riding, u'll always b sucked into someone else's pace unless u just know to ride ur ride and constantly tell urself that. So unfortunate this happened. But im also glad it was in the canyon and not out there on the streets where there are cars thrown into the mix. |
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June 22nd, 2013, 04:56 PM | #5 |
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It sounds like you've already discovered your own mistake, so there's probably not much more to consider on your end. The "two second rule" doesn't even really seem adequate to me when riding more technical roads with other riders, so I try to give a LOT of space (though that may just be my own inexperience.)
What happened to the rider just in front of the cameraman? Sounded like he might have gone down as well. |
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June 22nd, 2013, 05:05 PM | #6 | |
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June 22nd, 2013, 05:08 PM | #7 |
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Wow, looked like a nasty crash. Glad you are both alright.
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June 22nd, 2013, 05:13 PM | #8 |
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Speedy recovery to all parties involved! That helmet on the ground was pretty gut wrenching
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June 22nd, 2013, 05:30 PM | #9 |
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Well to your friend on the white bike
Don't panic and stay calm and you wouldn't have crashed. I wasn't there and I don't know you guys but I'll say you need to have a certain level of experience to read the subtle hints the rider in front shows that let you know they are pushing themselves to hard. If you can't read these hints or if you can and they are showing then you need to back off and give some space. I'm judging a book by it's cover here and considering the move the white bike made, your overall pace and fellow riders body positioning. Overall your group isn't exactly the most experience out there and those type of riders are more likely to have a brain fart then the highly experienced. So by default you guys should be giving more space. This is an assumption if you feel it's wrong then disregard it. Sorry if it sounds like I'm kicking you while your down and I'll tell that's not my intention, just giving some advise for when you guys do get back in the saddle. The ride I was on last week could have had the exact outcome at nearly double the speed. A couple of miles in the rider two positions in front of me looked a bit off so I backed off another 30 feet and sure enough a few miles later he had a big front wheel tuck but saved it thankfully. Hope you guys all recover well and P.S. your so luck that bike didn't turn into a fire ball. |
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June 22nd, 2013, 05:56 PM | #10 | |
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To everyone else I thank you all for ur concerns and i still feel blessed and lucky that everyone involved still made it to see another day. Again thank you all |
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June 22nd, 2013, 06:31 PM | #11 |
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From what I can make out, truck in opposite lane spooked rider to go wide, rider tapped brakes, try to correct but just got target fixated on the wall. You, were really following him close.
Speedy recovery to all that wrecked.
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June 22nd, 2013, 06:42 PM | #12 |
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I was going to say the same thing. Someone was leaned into the turn, saw a car coming at them, and panicked. Glad everyone will be ok though.
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June 22nd, 2013, 07:14 PM | #13 |
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That can't be said often enough.
I didn't watch the video but I know this is the correct answer.
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June 22nd, 2013, 07:26 PM | #14 |
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Yes i was extremely close to the rider that crashed first. And thank you for the kind wishes and support. I'll b sure to let the r6 rider know.
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June 22nd, 2013, 07:31 PM | #15 |
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Glad you made it out ok man. I wasn't there but if you didn't hit the guy after you laid your bike down you wouldn't have hit him if you stayed in control either.
Easy for me to say siting on my apartment with plenty of time to think about it. |
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June 22nd, 2013, 07:46 PM | #16 |
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i have been thinking about it alot too but either way i see it, im still inexperienced so regardless whats done has been done. I would have hit the wall if i straightened up possibly or i could have narrowly miss the wall but run over the large chunks of debris all over the road and that might lead to an even bigger problem. Regardless my inexperience led me to decide what i did any who. Thank you for ur input
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June 23rd, 2013, 02:06 AM | #17 |
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sorry about what happen and wish you guys a full quick recovery
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June 23rd, 2013, 08:01 AM | #18 |
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thank you for that i appreciate the gesture.
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June 23rd, 2013, 09:24 AM | #19 |
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The longer you dont ride the less inclined you ever will be to get back on 2 wheels again. Or maybe im making it all up. Either way, glad both of you are alive and hopefully you learn from it. Life is about learning from mistakes, only those who know failure will achieve success.
I went down on my 1000 a few months ago, i had no serious injury (hairline fracture). I got on my 250 when i got home just ride again. Sure it was scary, but now i know what to look for and try to perfect my riding as much as possible without pushing the speed TOO much. Body position really helps a ton. Again, glad your OK and glad your friend will end up fine. |
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June 23rd, 2013, 09:48 AM | #20 |
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Best wishes and speedy healing.
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June 23rd, 2013, 10:12 AM | #21 |
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so, I dont think anyone has ask, how are the bikes?
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June 23rd, 2013, 10:29 AM | #22 |
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tony how long have you been riding? Also how long has the rest of the group been riding?
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June 23rd, 2013, 08:29 PM | #23 | |
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Thank you brother R6 is totaled, my ninja has left side farings rashed up, cracked left side of the headlight fairing, leaking coolant, crank damage, stator problems, dirty chain, bent shift lever, missing left rearview mirror and left blinkers, possible tweaked frame. Forks might b good might b bad idk. Last time i checked it started back up from the towing place but dies if i give it throttle. R6 rider, white ninja rider, I are 2-3 months experience. The rest is 7-9 months |
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June 23rd, 2013, 08:47 PM | #24 |
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could have been wearing a bit more gear. Probably would have saved you both alot of aches and pains. Knees and shin area is always a prone spot in falls. Take care of them.
And you were pretty much spot on what happened. To give you some advice. It took me about 6 months or more before I rode with my first group and still then gave myself alot of room for my own errors and others. Just got to be careful. Even people that ride for years can always make mistakes.
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June 23rd, 2013, 10:09 PM | #25 |
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definitely. but regardless whats done is done. Learn from this experience and we all lived to see another day
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June 24th, 2013, 01:18 AM | #26 |
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Scary looking video. Good to see you are both relatively ok. Title said the R6 was new
Did you clip his bike and knock it forward? After watching it on my computer, it looks like both of you braked. |
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June 24th, 2013, 05:32 AM | #27 | |
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June 24th, 2013, 01:27 PM | #29 |
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Wow...this just has written all over it.
Nuff said.
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June 24th, 2013, 06:26 PM | #30 |
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June 24th, 2013, 10:36 PM | #31 | |
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The only thing more lacking than the technical skills in that group is judgment. Riding a motorcycle does involve some risk, but riding like that doesn't really involve risk. There's no risk you're going to crash, it's a certainty. |
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June 24th, 2013, 11:29 PM | #32 |
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Glad you guys made it out alive and mostly well..ish. As others have said experience would have really helped here. Let this serve as a warning and a reminder for old and new riders alike. In all honesty it didn't look like you guys were riding that hard though... Hard to tell on video sometimes though. Seems like a good idea for a group would be to have a more experienced rider or two along with you.
Just wondering and not meaning to threadjack, but whats the general consensus on when you're officially an "experienced rider?" |
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June 25th, 2013, 05:36 AM | #33 | |
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Everyone gains experience at different rates take Cameron for example. He's only had a street bike for 8 months and is already one of the best riders I have to ride with, on top of that he's already on his way to becoming an MSF instructor. Not only is he talented but he has several friends he rides with regularly that have tons of experience in all forms of Motorsports so class is in session during every group ride. For Cameron group rides are probably the #1 reason he's such a knowledgeable rider so early in his life as a rider. You can call yourself experienced when you can ride with confidence and understand your limits and know when not to push those limits. You can call yourself experienced when you understand "most" of the random situations that can occur from fellow motorist stupidity and can keep an eye out for them at all times. That's my opinion. End thread jack |
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June 27th, 2013, 01:10 PM | #34 |
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Update on my friend he had surgery on monday and is now making a full recovery. Idk how long he is going to b in the hospital but im still glad everything is now good with him. Just needs to heal the broken bones and injuries with time. Idk what he is going to do with the R6 but since its still new he is going to still need to be paying it off. So he might repair it. Idk if he still wants to ride tho. Either way best of luck to him
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June 27th, 2013, 01:52 PM | #36 |
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June 27th, 2013, 01:58 PM | #37 |
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June 27th, 2013, 04:09 PM | #38 |
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Oh give the poor guy a break.
Or in his friend's case, 2 breaks and some fractures. I think he meant to say "But im also glad it was not in a busy street where there are a ton of cars thrown into the mix." |
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June 28th, 2013, 08:56 PM | #39 |
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Wish you and your friend a speedy healing.
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July 2nd, 2013, 02:44 PM | #40 |
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Why was everyone trying to pick up the R6 and not trying to help the rider?
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