Trackday Mayhem - 6/15

Alex · June 17th, 2014, 11:31 AM

No riders seriously injured, but quite the debris field. Initial cause was an exhaust system falling off a bike. Rider was blackflagged, but didn't get off before it fell off completely. Yellow flag for debris over blind corner. Some riders don't see / don't abide by the flag, and bike carnage ensues...

Link to original page on YouTube.

Link to original page on YouTube.

link to video of another rider, a few moments before they come across the exhaust:

video link to 10:40

LittleRedNinjette · June 17th, 2014, 11:41 AM

ouch!

csmith12 · June 17th, 2014, 11:45 AM

So much luck in that 2nd video.

csmith12 · June 17th, 2014, 11:47 AM

For all who are learning track riding, the rider in vid 3 did what you're supposed to do. Don't do what the rider in vid 1 did.

Alex · June 17th, 2014, 11:59 AM

It's probably a good tip not to do what the guy in blue does in Video 2 either: (not see flags or the hand up from the guy on the Duc, realize so late that you endo the bike with front brake, sending you and the bike flipping through the air right at the bike you tried to avoid).

Did you see how that bike's swingarm lands right on the Duc guy's left hand on the clipon?

Sirref · June 17th, 2014, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

For all who are learning track riding, the rider in vid 3 did what you're supposed to do. Don't do what the rider in vid 1 did.

so you're supposed to keep going?

Alex · June 17th, 2014, 12:07 PM

Never stop on track. Ever. The longer it takes to get moving motorcycles off the course, the longer it takes to roll the ambulance.

Only exception is if the flaggers are explicitly waving the flags that mean stop on track. Here in NorCal, that's usually a red flag.

Anything else, you keep going.

tnr4 · June 17th, 2014, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirref

so you're supposed to keep going?

Yes. Slow up enough to be safe; once you're through the area in question, get back to pits ASAP (safe, but fast speed). Ambulances can't roll until the track is cleared, so staying on the track might actually endanger someone who needs medical attention. You can be the most help by staying aware, getting through the area in question safely, and then getting to the pits.

tnr4 · June 17th, 2014, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Never stop on track. Ever. The longer it takes to get moving motorcycles off the course, the longer it takes to roll the ambulance.

Only exception is if the flaggers are explicitly waving the flags that mean stop on track. Here in NorCal, that's usually a red flag.

Anything else, you keep going.

D'oh! Twinsies!

csmith12 · June 17th, 2014, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirref

so you're supposed to keep going?

Yes sir, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

alex.s · June 17th, 2014, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Never stop on track. Ever. The longer it takes to get moving motorcycles off the course, the longer it takes to roll the ambulance.

Only exception is if the flaggers are explicitly waving the flags that mean stop on track. Here in NorCal, that's usually a red flag.

Anything else, you keep going.

red flag means session killed, pit in immediately. black flag means GTFO the track right now. blue/purple is move over. yellow standing means slight caution, waving means real caution, stripped yellow standing means wet hazard on track, stripped yellow waving means large hazard on the track surface like oil or an animal something.

Alex · June 17th, 2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

red flag means session killed, pit in immediately.

It's not universal. All of the norcal orgs I've ridden with use red flag to mean stop (when safe) on track.

examples: Precision, PTT

alex.s · June 17th, 2014, 12:38 PM

Weird.

alex.s · June 17th, 2014, 12:40 PM

that seems to be limited to norcal only... it seems most orgs follow this like STT, trackdaz, trackX and sctd along with all the race orgs i've seen:

Quote:

RED - The track is closed, most likely due to a crash or some other hazard that needs to be cleaned up. Put your arm in the air when you see this flag and slow your pace considerably but predictably. Continue at a safe speed and leave the track when you reach the EXIT point unless directed otherwise. DO NOT STOP ON THE TRACK.

Alex · June 17th, 2014, 12:44 PM

Key takeway - never stop on track unless you've seen the flag designated to do so, if there is one. Corollary - if you pay attention to nothing else during the rider meeting, make sure you listen to what the flags mean. There isn't anything more important (or more risky for all to screw up).

Singh2jz · June 17th, 2014, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Did you see how that bike's swingarm lands right on the Duc guy's left hand on the clipon?

I spy a helmet at :54!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was that the dudes head!?!?

csmith12 · June 17th, 2014, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Singh2jz

I spy a helmet at :54!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was that the dudes head!?!?

Yep, likely from getting asspacked by the rider behind him.

alex.s · June 17th, 2014, 12:58 PM

looks painful. bike hits one hand, his own helmet hits the other

dino74 · June 17th, 2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

black flag means GTFO the track right now.

Not all the time. At some places, black flag means come into the pits.

Kscreations08 · June 18th, 2014, 12:12 AM

Holy Sheep that went to hell fast

CC Cowboy · June 18th, 2014, 06:20 AM

That's why I always try to ride by myself at track days. I'm afraid of non-racers.

June 17th, 2014, 11:31 AM	#1
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June 17th, 2014, 12:58 PM	#18
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