June 16th, 2014, 06:27 AM | #1 |
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Laying her down and Graduating
So today I had a close call in my cage. I almost hit a deer. In the area I live, it's pretty common. My question is, in that situation, if you know you're going to hit it, would you try to keep the bike upright, potentially damaging the forks or worse, crashing? Or would you purposely low side by grabbing a handful?
Edit: If you CANNOT swerve or brake to avoid Also, today is my last day of high school!!!!
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June 16th, 2014, 06:28 AM | #2 |
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Bunny hop it over the deer.
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June 16th, 2014, 06:30 AM | #3 |
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Completely forgot about this technique. How could I be so ignorant
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Stay on the breaks till the end. Deer are all about luck but grabbing a handful is throwing the bike out of control. You might speed up if you flip or not slow down of you slide. All the study's have shown breaking and rubber on the ground is the best way to stop. And stoping is what you want. Once you stop the incident is over.
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June 16th, 2014, 06:56 AM | #5 |
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Energy at the moment of impact is what harms.
Brakes are the best known way of transforming dangerous kinetic energy into harmless heat. Braking well can reduce your speed in 22 mph for each second on the brakes, which means that the energy of impact is four times smaller for each second of good braking. Sliding on the road, the speed will get reduced at an approximate rate of 6 mph per each second that the bike remains sliding. Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_%28mechanics%29 Congratulations !!!
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June 16th, 2014, 07:21 AM | #6 |
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there is no such thing as "cannot avoid it"
i have zigzagged through a group of coyotes at 50 with only about 15 feet notice (blind hill) almost crashed because of it. but i didn't crash. and i never gave up. never give up. never surrender! a glancing blow to the side hurts your leg and arm but you can keep going
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June 16th, 2014, 07:59 AM | #8 |
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Only cruisers intentionally 'lay her down' (ha ha... sometimes the stereotypical bias cracks me up!). Seriously though, if you're braking you're controlling your bike. Once you let it go and it starts sliding you have zero control over the situation. You should always try to retain control of the bike - smooth, consistent pressure on the brakes is the best way to handle the situation. In fact, a good rider will practice emergency braking on a regular basis in order to have that muscle memory when the time comes.
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June 16th, 2014, 08:07 AM | #9 |
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I am not a good rider but I always practice panic stops, every rider every time.
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June 16th, 2014, 08:18 AM | #10 |
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Then I would consider you a good rider - maybe not the very best (I'm definitely not the very best either), but I would say that practicing such activities on a regular basis, that you are a good rider.
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Thanks doods
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June 16th, 2014, 08:37 AM | #13 |
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That was phenomenal!!
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June 16th, 2014, 10:49 AM | #14 |
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I'm pretty sure an object that is mainly metal would cause more damage. I haven't watched the race, will do today.
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I am racing there in a few weeks. I will NOT be testing this theory out. lol
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June 16th, 2014, 12:10 PM | #18 |
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Always unload speed with breaks! never crash bike intentionally
break hard and avoidance maneuvers The age old " I laid it down because" is just people trying to provide a reason why they panicked and crashed. really - PANIC - made them do it. no one thinks... " best option… lay it down like in an action movie! that will work! " ONLY ACCEPTABLE reason to lay it down. Tractor trailer jackknifes in front of you while you are pursuing your arch nemesis the wrong way on the thruway. If that is the case? After you slide beneath the tractor trailer commander a stopped vehicle and continue your pursuit! I wish you luck and god speed! I hope you can stop him before he activates the DEATH STAR or whatever.
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June 16th, 2014, 12:18 PM | #19 |
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If you can't swerve or accelerate, brake until impact. Most folks don't realize just how well brakes work if you need to use them. Even if you can't stop before impact, if you scrub off some of your speed you will impact with lower velocity and therefore less energy.
A good rule of thumb: the average motorcycle can stop from 30 mph in 30 feet. Your energy increases as the square of velocity, so from 60 MPH (2x the speed) you will stop in about 120 feet, 4x the distance.
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Just finished school
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Congrats on passing high school. I just graduated community college a month ago.
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June 16th, 2014, 01:16 PM | #23 |
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there is a big difference between gracefully exceeding your traction limits, and "loosing control"
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True... btw, (OT) what kind of bike do you have? I see you here a lot and I always wonder what you ride since your list only says "want to buy a 250"... I'm just curious
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June 16th, 2014, 01:41 PM | #25 |
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Get on the brakes. When I had my deer strike I got on the brakes and scrubbed off about 20 mph. Still totaled the bike and put a huge dent in the tank, but I walked away even though I was squidding without a helmet. Luckily I slid on my backpack and wallet when I first got off, then flipped over and slid on my cell phone. Lucky bastard I am.
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June 16th, 2014, 01:48 PM | #26 |
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Jump off the bike and onto the deers back! Enjoy your new ride!
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Why hit it... just scream at it...worked for me on Natchez Trace
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Truly no time to swerve? OK, but if that is given as part of the constraints, then the right answer is to scrub off as much speed as possible before impact. BUT - once it's clear that the impact is unavoidable, being on the gas a moment before you hit the animal will make the bike more stable and more likely to stay upright post impact. YMMV.
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Also keep in mind that deer tend to cross roads single file. If there's one deer just stepping off the road, there's probably another one getting ready to step on. Or if you're lucky like me, you'll have one in each lane.
Deer - I know them. A pic from each of my last three deer accidents... And not to cause anyone to freak out, but a coworker hit a deer on his bike (long ago) and his helmet strap broke his jaw. I assume it was a half helmet and/or didn't fit properly, but it still adds a bit of insult to injury.
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Something that big, keep it upright and lay on the brakes.
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i guess if you're running off in a really short gravel trap, the bike might slow down faster if its on its side
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my god. i just saw it. talk about a "glancing blow" that's more like a bike to the face. how he pulled it off i don't know but it was damn amazing.
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