March 8th, 2012, 06:41 PM | #1 |
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Moving Camouflage
Have no headlight modulator?
This is another way to make yourself visible:
Link to original page on YouTube.
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March 8th, 2012, 07:45 PM | #2 |
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Nice! I didn't even know that there's a name for this technique. I do this all the time. I've seen one guy do this once (I was riding my car then) And he was very visible when he did that, he definitely got my attention. And now I'm copying his technique to be much more visible.
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March 9th, 2012, 07:47 AM | #3 |
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Great video find Motofool! Learn something new every day.
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March 10th, 2012, 07:40 AM | #4 |
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SMIDSY: "Sorry Mate I Didn’t See You"
This a complementary study: http://www.network.mag-uk.org/smidsy...oo%20Close.pdf SMIDSY Avoidance and Evasion Strategies "Duncan MacKillop is a Motorcycle Trainer and is also an aviation pilot. As a victim of SMIDSYs, he has carried out research over the last ten years to understand the reasons for this type of accident and to find solutions for motorcyclists through avoidance and evasion techniques. His research considers the phenomena of ‘looming’ and ‘motion camouflage’."
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March 23rd, 2012, 06:51 AM | #5 |
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I really like this link on motion-induced blindness on the MSF site. It clearly shows how easy it is for a driver to completely miss seeing us, and cements the point about how it's our responsibility to be aware of that fact.
http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html
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March 23rd, 2012, 07:21 AM | #6 |
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The dots really disappear!
Changed dots' size, grid speed and background color, and they still disappeared Great experiment, Alex; thanks
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March 23rd, 2012, 11:20 AM | #7 |
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Good paper and deep study, Trixter; thanks
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March 26th, 2012, 04:21 PM | #8 |
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I use the SMIDSY weave all the time and I have had it stop left turners in their tracks. A good arrow to have in your safety quiver.
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Doing this has already saved me twice. It's harder at faster speeds though.
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March 27th, 2012, 11:47 AM | #12 |
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lol, that is now on my list as a last resort, and already set up to fly over the bars. "An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
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March 27th, 2012, 02:43 PM | #13 |
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Well even if they do see you they may still pull out, kill you, admit it in court and be let off, just like this oxygen thief http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...306445993.html
She admitted that the weather was so bad that she "couldn't see anything in the distance", that she looked once in each direction "saw a single light on a sweeping bend", pulled out regardless and killed a biker. (If you couldn't see anything in the distance, but saw the bike's lights it must have been close... pull out in front of it was the logical choice for the thick bitch, pity it wasn't an artic (semi) truck with a blown bulb) She was unanimously acquitted by the jury & the judge was quoted as saying : “I wholeheartedly agree with the verdict”. Scary precedent to set. |
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August 11th, 2012, 04:42 AM | #16 |
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Bump. A must watch for any rider.
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June 10th, 2014, 08:12 AM | #17 |
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(remembering that we Brits drive on the left)
Bit of a bump - I was riding along a single carriageway 60mph road the other day, behind a car. The car indicated and took the short exit slip to make a 90 degree left into a side road. Waiting to turn right (i.e. across me then towards me) at that junction was a small truck. I had seen him, but I wasn't sure he'd seen me so as the car moved left to reveal me I SMIDSY'd. At this point I am a max of 110m away from the truck and probably doing ~50mph. The truck started to move out then stopped with its front wheels entirely past the Give Way line. The driver angrily shouted something (no idea what) and violently wagged his index finger at me in the "don't you do that" kind of way. I have not seen aggression from someone when doing a SMIDSY before. Thoughts? Cheers, Pete Last futzed with by dooby; June 10th, 2014 at 09:02 AM. Reason: fixung grammir |
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From what I can gather, drivers sometimes get miffed because they think we're being reckless or goofing off when we SMIDSY, as if we're treating the street like a playground and are about to start stunting or something. I once had the redlight conversation of, "Yeah, we know you're riding a motorcycle. You don't need to be an ass about it." "Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a jerk. But did you see me before I did?" "No." "That's the reason I did it." This from someone who was making a left, then made a U-turn to chase and yell at me. Last futzed with by EternalNewb; June 10th, 2014 at 10:16 AM. |
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Bingo!
Had a guy pull in front of me on a highway the other night. I saw him and had plenty of time and space to react. Instead I decided not to, having 2 other lanes to my left to escape to if I had, us 2 being the only headlights in sight distance... So I just kept going straight and passed him on the left, almost in his lane to show him how close that could have been... To be clear. He stopped, then rolled forward, then stopped again, and then pulled out in front of me, probably thinking I was further away than I was. I realize I was being a dick. I could easily have pulled over and given the driver the right lane, but I also believe that education opportunities should never be wasted.
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July 2nd, 2014, 10:09 AM | #21 |
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Perhaps it's bad, but one technique i've used in the past when seeing a "creeper" (that is someone at an intersection who keeps creeping forward) is to pull in the clutch and wup on the back brake... the performance tiers on the TLR really howl when they are warm and forced to slide...
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July 2nd, 2014, 10:27 AM | #22 |
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I found this picture very interesting. It is part of an argument that daytime running lights can actually camoflage a motorcycle in certain situations.
I've been doing a "SMIDSY" or lateral weave when approaching intersections with possible left turn bandits since maybe the mid 1990s. I've found it works well: sometimes I see someone getting ready to pull across the intersection or turn out from a sidestreet, I do the weave, and they lurch to a stop as though surprised. I've never seen anyone get angry or aggressive afterwards. If they did, oh well; obviously they didn't see me or it wouldn't have surprised them.
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July 2nd, 2014, 10:39 AM | #23 | |
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July 2nd, 2014, 12:56 PM | #24 |
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I weave around all the time or flash my brights...the weaving though really works in low light to inner city environments.
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July 8th, 2014, 05:49 PM | #25 |
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The MSF page for motion-induced blindness isn't there anymore. http://michaelbach.de/ot/mot-mib/ is the same illusion on the original creator's page. It's even a slightly newer version that's a little more intuitive to play with.
I have a tendency to weave around a bit anytime I think someone might not be seeing me when they should. Like trixter said, it can even liven up boring straight stretches a bit too. Another thing that can help your visibility is using additional lights to make your bike look bigger. It's easier to misjudge the distance and speed of a single headlight, since there's little frame of reference. Making a triangle of lights, as used on locomotives, helps provide some reference as to how fast you're approaching. There's also the simple fact that more lights simply have a higher probability of being seen (though the motion blindness applet shows that even multiple points can "disappear"). One more tip for spotting the creepers about to pull out in front of you is to watch the wheels of the car rather than the body. It can be hard to tell if the body is moving forward an inch or two, but the rotation of the wheels should be more obvious.
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July 19th, 2014, 07:54 PM | #26 |
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Just learning to ride at 48 years old, so dumb newb questions are my specialty.
What about additional flashing lights visible from in front of the bike? I'm thinking colored LEDs, maybe in a pattern to help register to the brain "something is moving this way. Your power draw would be less than a headlight and LED systems are always getting cheaper and cheaper. I will add this SMIDSY technique to my bag. |
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July 19th, 2014, 09:11 PM | #27 |
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Funny old guy with British accent ✔ Check
Cheesy and unnecessary titles and transitions ✔ Check Filmed with a calculator ✔ Check But seriously this technique is great, and he brings up a lot of good points. I'm always looking for more ways to get riders to pay more attention to me, even if it includes throttling loudly. My exhaust has saved me plenty of times around the city, when people hear me behind them I watch the driver immediately check all their mirrors to see where I am. Ears > eyes. Thanks for the bump! Edit: Ears > Eyes a lot of the time. When I effectively see every driver / passenger turn their heads to scan for me when I'm far down the road it's a good sign that I'm making my presence noticeable. I'm happy to say that even though I've only been riding for a few months, I live in a crowded city, AC / windows up weather and I have yet to be cut off or have someone jump into my lane with out seeing me once. I'm sure it's not just because I'm practicing safe riding, but because I'm making myself more aware on the road for others.
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Be careful with colored and/or flashing lights. There are usually laws against that sort of thing to avoid confusion with emergency vehicles. You really don't want to get pulled over because someone thinks you're trying to impersonate a cop...
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August 17th, 2014, 11:53 AM | #29 |
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Great video Hernan! This is good validation for something I have always done while riding on the street. Our job as a rider is to BE SEEN, but ride like we're invisible to everyone anyway.
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During the last weeks and while driving in town for work, I have been trying the waving with my Company's car, for which they request to keep the headlights on. It has amazed me how well the technique works for cars as well. You don't need to do a dramatic swerving to immediately stop a big truck driven by a bully driver resolved to invade your right of path. There is something in the unexpected slightest lateral deviation of the headlights beam that spooks this type of drivers, I guess.
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January 27th, 2015, 07:37 PM | #33 |
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This is great and something my MsF instructor actually told us during the course. Although, it was more like an after thought type comment but for some reason it really stuck in my head.
That being said, I was riding in a car with my mom down a major street and a rider did start swerving in their own lane. My mom turned to me and said, "if you ever ride like that I don't want to know". Mind you, I'm 40. However, I then turned to her and said, "but you noticed him, right?" She then realized what the rider's point was D. |
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January 27th, 2015, 08:20 PM | #34 |
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never miss an opportunity to practice your swerve!
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I do this all the time...
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February 6th, 2015, 07:22 AM | #36 |
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^^ Me too.
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April 7th, 2015, 11:43 AM | #37 |
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Bumping this to the top because everyone needs to know it and it really does work!
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