Finally Crashed...

[Asspire]

Congrats, now that you've experience your first crash you can look back and learn from it, see what went wrong, and how to prevent it.


as an old drunk guy in a bar once told me, "Mistakes are only made from not learning from them"




now go buy a R6

[nickjpass]

An R6 is too soft compared to new bikes at least haha
@rasta they're not my neighbors hehe

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

An R6 is too soft compared to new bikes at least haha
@rasta they're not my neighbors hehe

I am sorry but riding around like that in a neighborhood is a d-bag move. You are putting others life at risk. Its one thing to go up in a canyon and have some fun its another to be in a area that increase your chance of hitting a child running to see what the cool bike looks like. As much as a D-bag I am on the site I still don't put others at risk due to my stupid mistakes.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by Asspire

Congrats, now that you've experience your first crash you can look back and learn from it, see what went wrong, and how to prevent it.


as an old drunk guy in a bar once told me, "Mistakes are only made from not learning from them"




now go buy a R6

he crashed on a 636. he needs to buy a literbike now.

[nickjpass]

@alex.s 600
@fishdip I was well aware of the risk, and as you can see, there was no one there. Had someone been walking, I wouldn't have been going that quick. Also, I didn't think I was going quick. But now I know that the pace I crashed at is too quick for my skill level and street.

[sunspots]

I kept watching that over and over again (no sound) and couldn't figure out how the hell something like that was able to happen.

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by sunspots

I kept watching that over and over again (no sound) and couldn't figure out how the hell something like that was able to happen.

cold tires and road, plus romping the gas while you throw the bike down while being crossed up = rear tire slide

[nickjpass]

Learned a new word

[LittleRedNinjette]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

was well aware of the risk, and as you can see, there was no one there. Had someone been walking, I wouldn't have been going that quick. Also, I didn't think I was going quick. But now I know that the pace I crashed at is too quick for my skill level and street.

Didn't seem like you were going very fast.
Just one of them freak things, thankfully you're ok.

[nickjpass]

I think before I crashed I was going 40 or 45, then slowed to maybe 35 or 30 (indicated).

[sunspots]

Originally Posted by alex.s

cold tires and road, plus romping the gas while you throw the bike down while being crossed up = rear tire slide

Romping the gas? Being crossed up? What do those mean actually?

I'd like to be able to prevent myself from doing them.

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by sunspots

I kept watching that over and over again (no sound) and couldn't figure out how the hell something like that was able to happen.

Read all the posts, one theory may be correct.

Theories is all we have, since the only witness doesn't have an idea about "how the hell something like that was able to happen".

What Alex was saying is that, for a powerful bike, too much gas too soon can make the rear tire lose traction, inducing a lateral skid.
Being crossed up means that the bike is forced to lean excessively due to improper and ineffective body hang-off (butt is off in one direction and head and torso are off in the opposite direction).

Copied from:
http://www.ofirmx.com/blog/2013-04-1...positioning/21

"The rider in the picture is positioning his torso outside the G force. By doing this, his brain has to fight a sense of unbalance which can very easily trigger a survival reaction.
If you are going to put your torso out of alignment with G, it'd better be to the INSIDE. This way your body will only feel pressed against the bike and not thrown outside of the bike."

[csmith12]

Bummer Nick, your not hurt so it's all good. Give yourself and the bike more than 6 minutes to warm up next time.

Originally Posted by sunspots

Romping the gas? Being crossed up? What do those mean actually?

I'd like to be able to prevent myself from doing them.

Romping the gas: Being overaggressive with the throttle, not a smooth roll on
Crossed up: A common rider's position on the bike, one of the body positions on the bike that referred to as not as effective at maximizing traction and minimizing lean angle

Also, turn your volume way up, there is sound in his vid.

[fishdip]

Originally Posted by Motofool

Read all the posts, one theory may be correct.

Theories is all we have, since the only witness doesn't have an idea about "how the hell something like that was able to happen".

What Alex was saying is that, for a powerful bike, too much gas too soon can make the rear tire lose traction, inducing a lateral skid.
Being crossed up means that the bike is forced to lean excessively due to improper and ineffective body hang-off (butt is off in one direction and head and torso are off in the opposite direction).

Copied from:
http://www.ofirmx.com/blog/2013-04-1...positioning/21

"The rider in the picture is positioning his torso outside the G force. By doing this, his brain has to fight a sense of unbalance which can very easily trigger a survival reaction.
If you are going to put your torso out of alignment with G, it'd better be to the INSIDE. This way your body will only feel pressed against the bike and not thrown outside of the bike."

Wow thanks for this awesome info moto

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by fishdip

Wow thanks for this awesome info moto

You are welcome, Fish

[csmith12]

Additional thought,

Having seen a ninja parked "the hard way" on someones front porch. I would have to say "wrong place" even if you thought it was the "right time".

[aeroblade]

That seems to be the right way to do it, although we might have to cut off a couple of points since he missed that other railing

[LittleRedNinjette]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Additional thought,

Having seen a ninja parked "the hard way" on someones front porch. I would have to say "wrong place" even if you thought it was the "right time".

[sunspots]

Originally Posted by Motofool

Read all the posts, one theory may be correct.

Theories is all we have, since the only witness doesn't have an idea about "how the hell something like that was able to happen".

What Alex was saying is that, for a powerful bike, too much gas too soon can make the rear tire lose traction, inducing a lateral skid.
Being crossed up means that the bike is forced to lean excessively due to improper and ineffective body hang-off (butt is off in one direction and head and torso are off in the opposite direction).

Copied from:
http://www.ofirmx.com/blog/2013-04-1...positioning/21

"The rider in the picture is positioning his torso outside the G force. By doing this, his brain has to fight a sense of unbalance which can very easily trigger a survival reaction.
If you are going to put your torso out of alignment with G, it'd better be to the INSIDE. This way your body will only feel pressed against the bike and not thrown outside of the bike."

Oh wow that link was awesome. Good thing I found out about it now before something bad happened.

Thanks MF!

[nickjpass]

Kiss your handle bars

[Motofool]

Originally Posted by sunspots

.........Thanks MF!

You are welcome

[choneofakind]

On a side note, how'd the beanie baby do in the crash? I can see him just chillin there under the windscreen while you're riding

[JohnnyBravo]

You lost traction, something scraped, an you lost it... Now I gota go back an watch the video cause I didn't see no beanie baby...

You were crossed up, that's a fact... Whether or not that spot folks saw is a reason dunno. What scraped, dunno... Where the heck is Carmen SanDiego

[JohnnyBravo]

Where is CPS when you need them? Sir please leave the baby's at home while stuntin!!!

[alex.s]

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Kiss your handle bars

tiffani once told me something that has really stuck with me. before then it felt like a struggle to get my upper body lower and i didn't really understand why. she said: (paraphrasing)

"bend your inside elbow, idiot"

[nickjpass]

There are two, Kuku and that squirrel is Umm... Idk... the squirrel fell out, I found him or her near the grass, he rolled but his gear/fur saved him from the road rash.

[sunspots]

So after reading that link Motofool posted being a fairly new rider I kinda assumed that I was positioning myself wrong with the whole "g-axis" thing. And I never really paid much attention to it when riding.


So today I thought I'd pay attention to my body positioning when riding and it turns out I've been doing everything right the entire time. It doesn't seem like a big deal but I felt pretty awesome about it lol.

[n4mwd]

Sorry to hear about your accident Nick. Hope you and the bike recover OK. At least now you are even with your dad and brother in terms of wrecking it.

I looked at your video and its mystifying as to the actual cause of the crash. Just before the crash turn I noticed that you took the previous curve a bit wide. And your speed might have been a tad above safe.

There are numerous things that could have caused it. Tires over inflated. Slippery stuff on the road, etc. And yes, body positioning is very important - even on the street. You don't need to drag your knee on every turn, but you do need to throw your weight into the curve.

Do you remember if your peg dragged just before you went down? You would have felt a grinding vibration in your foot if it did. This would cause the rear tire to go up like alex.s suggested. If so, that could mean bad riding posture for sure.

Distractions are all bad, but it didn't look like that was a factor since you didn't hit anything except the road.

[choneofakind]

Lol at D telling someone else they ride too fast.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Lol at D telling someone else they ride too fast.

Do as I say and not as I do.

Sheesh. Did I actually write that. Oh, well. But its true.

And you can exceed safe speeds a lot quicker with a ZX-6R than a 250. I don't think I'd still be alive if I owned one. In fact, I did some really unsafe things the other day which is why I decided to drive the car for a few days and cool my heels.

[choneofakind]

Yes, you just wrote that.


Good idea, every now and then I have to trade in the ninja for my cage for just the same reason. I usually just use it as an excuse to take the bicycle somewhere and ride some place new.

[nickjpass]

You guys are so funny, driving cages ha. It would have made no difference if i was on a 250. I still would have been riding quick. Like I said, I didn't know I was reaching my limits, but this crashed has revealed some of them. I don't remember much, I may have blinked, because I remember looking into the corner, and then staring at asphalt.

[n4mwd]

Don't forget to tell your brother that the bike got messed up because it fell over in the garage.

Also, what brand of tires are on the bike? If they are Dunlop, they probably aren't any good. I can't say for sure about the ZX because it uses a different size, but dunlops are pretty bad on the pregen.

When you didn't make the previous curve (because you took it too wide) then that should have been a warning that you are going too fast. I can say from experience that its hard to listen to those warnings, but we all need to.

Oh, for your road rash, use 10% hydrocortizone itch cream and hold it down with a tegraderm non-stick bandage pad. If they aren't too big, you can get away with a jumbo band aid. Should be grown back in about a week.

[nickjpass]

I took the first corner wide on purpose. Not completely sure why.

[n4mwd]

So are you starting to heal up OK? Anything new about the bike?

[nickjpass]

I'm all healed up for the most part. I popped the old original front wheel fairing on and that's about it bike was previously damaged so i didn't do much lol

[ninjamunky85]

How are the beanie babies doing? Will they ever ride again?

[crazymadbastard]

That dark spot you slid on looked like a man hole cover to me. But I am old an d blind.

[akima]

Glad you're ok Nick. I was enjoying watching you ride in that video until things went sideways.

Originally Posted by 7oxSin

ROFL! did you hear about the new recall toyota had?

turns out they released a few hundred cars with jiggles stuck in the side of em.

HA HA HA HA!

Originally Posted by nickjpass

Rashed fairings. Front fender might be bent or the forks are damaged. I was speeding because those three turns are fun...

Originally Posted by fishdip

I am sorry but riding around like that in a neighborhood is a d-bag move. You are putting others life at risk. Its one thing to go up in a canyon and have some fun its another to be in a area that increase your chance of hitting a child running to see what the cool bike looks like. As much as a D-bag I am on the site I still don't put others at risk due to my stupid mistakes.

It looked fine to me. I mean: he crashed so he did something wrong, but there was high visibility around those corners and no one about. Much worse places to speed than there. Also that bike must have been making a hell of a noise in that otherwise quiet environment: you'd have to be completely deaf to stumble into the path that Ninja.

Originally Posted by Motofool

To me, that looks like a massive amount of lean! ... near pannier scraping! I don't think I've been over that far. It's a great picture for illustrating your point. If he simply kept in alignment with the bike (not even hanging off it), would the same rider on the same bike in that same corner be pictured at a smaller angle of lean?

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by akima

To me, that looks like a massive amount of lean! ... near pannier scraping! I don't think I've been over that far. It's a great picture for illustrating your point. If he simply kept in alignment with the bike (not even hanging off it), would the same rider on the same bike in that same corner be pictured at a smaller angle of lean?

Yes, merely keeping in alignment with the bike would result in less lean than in the photo. People have a tendency to stay upright in turns (like in the picture) which the opposite of what you really should do.

Its all about center of gravity and the point is to keep the bike as upright as possible in a turn. So in order to do that, the rider has to lean into the turn - not away from it.

I know some older riders were incorrectly taught that in order to turn a corner with the bike, they have to lean - ignoring countersteering. Newer riders are taught to turn by countersteering alone - push on the side you want to go. The truth is that neither is correct by itself and the correct answer is both of them.

If you turn by countersteering alone, you end up out of alignment like in the photo. If you lean with your hands off the bars, you wont turn at all. Because the geometric relationship between your shoulders, arms and the bars forms a parallelogram*, the act of leaning with your hands on the bars will simultaneously countersteer the bike automatically. So that is why when you go around a corner, the correct way is to both lean and countersteer.

EDIT:
*Actually, it may be closer to a trapezoid (Trapezium). Either way, your arms are fixed length so when you lean, the bars countersteer.