Isle of Man, would you?

LNasty · April 15th, 2014, 11:38 AM

How many of you, if given the chance would participate in the Isle of man on your 250/300? Remember, there is an average of 2 deaths per year at this race.

ninjamunky85 · April 15th, 2014, 11:41 AM

No way I would compete in a race, take a ride around the track for a joy ride sure, but not race.

If you watched TT3D they talk about it taking the average racer three years just to remember the track. I forget the number of turns but it's a lot.

subxero · April 15th, 2014, 11:44 AM

I'd race on the 250....with other 250's my bike barely breaks 100mph at top speed, I am not sure the prototype bikes even go that slow?

csmith12 · April 15th, 2014, 11:46 AM

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 11:46 AM

YES, dear god, YESSSSS!

One of the most important goals on my bucket list is to put down a 120+mph lap on the isle of man, while I wouldn't be able to do that on my 250 or my 300 running the course on either of my bikes would advance me towards that goal greatly in terms of learning the ridiculous mountain course for the supersport/superbike races

It would cut down the amount of years needed to properly prepare for the races by at least a few years. As it is I have a lot of track time to put down before I'm confident enough in my skills to tackle the course at speed.

racing the 250 there wouldn't be too bad with the top speed, just throw on some upgraded brakes in case you forget a hairpin and odds are you'll take the course just fine.

DaBlue1 · April 15th, 2014, 11:55 AM

Run the course at my own pace? Absolutely!!

NevadaWolf · April 15th, 2014, 11:58 AM

Race? Nope, not now nor ever will be that good.

Ride it at my own level with the course closed off just as it would be for the race? YES!

csmith12 · April 15th, 2014, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Race? Nope, not now nor ever will be that good.

Ride it at my own level with the course closed off just as it would be for the race? YES!

Go the weekend before the races, it's open to the public and a closed course. Personally, I feel it would be safer to ride the race instead. lol

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 12:02 PM

^ I agree with csmith, the actual race would have less people on the course with a much higher average skill level and you would still get to ride your own pace technically. They'd just fly by you if you don't go fast

crazymadbastard · April 15th, 2014, 12:13 PM

Maybe after I blow past 1000 miles under my belt. 400 more to go!!

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 12:18 PM

the day that someone wins a 200+ mile motorcycle race with only 1000 miles of experience under their belt is the day that giacomo agostini and valentino rossi cry that their achievements won't be remembered into the next few generations.

misfitsailor · April 15th, 2014, 12:38 PM

The Isle of Man course is a deathtrap. I would not race it on any motorbike!

rojoracing53 · April 15th, 2014, 12:42 PM

I've already raced the Macau Gp in china which is pretty close to that style of racing. I even had a misshap and lost front brakes and slammed into the wall sending me to the hospital and almost missing the race the next day. So yeah I'd totally race the TT but I wouldn't waste my time doing it on anything less then a 600 super sport.

I'd race the nerbergring as well if they put one on there.

Dredgshadow · April 15th, 2014, 03:08 PM

If I thought I could get past the mental blocks, I probably would. I just couldn't get myself to push that hard even if I had that ability...which I don't.

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 03:11 PM

@rojoracing53

scale of 1-10 1 being a snorefest and 10 being

how was running the macau gp?

rojoracing53 · April 15th, 2014, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirref

@rojoracing53

scale of 1-10 1 being a snorefest and 10 being

how was running the macau gp?

Well simply put

for a few reasons.

1. Your fresh off a RS125 and in your first year of 4stroke racing so 106 hp is what your familiar with.

2. You've never been to an Asian country so wtf is going through your head all the time

3. You've been given factory Yamaha's 2003 championship winning R71(R7 with AMA formula extreme spec'd R1 motor) with a briefly mentioned +220hp(it was kinda hidden in with all the other **** the bike had going on) so yeah wheelie control hadn't been invented yet and probably would have made my life much easier

4. The steel walls surrounding the whole course

yeah I had plenty of those rubbing my shoulder on the apex and the slick right hander right outside the auto repair shop, yeah I'll there's some **** soaked in that asphalt.

5. Oh yeah and dodging a stray dog and the 3 hungry looking little Asian men chasing after it when ran onto the course. Yeah I don't know if there's a flag for that

The whole trip was epic in so many ways and even though I nearly died it was worth it.

rojoracing53 · April 15th, 2014, 04:20 PM

Me heading into casino corner. $50 for a hand painting in Thailand and $75 to get it framed back home

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rojoracing53

Well simply put

for a few reasons.

5. Oh yeah and dodging a stray dog and the 3 hungry looking little Asian men chasing after it when ran onto the course. Yeah I don't know if there's a flag for that

The whole trip was epic in so many ways and even though I nearly died it was worth it.

holy flying **** that must've been an intense moment.

the macau gp is a race that I want to watch live someday but I'm not so sure I would want to compete in it due to the steel walls, at least with the IoM you have the occasional open field. Those courses are completely different beasts though.

sick picture, definitely worth the $125 though I'm surprised that shipping it over cost that much

rojoracing53 · April 15th, 2014, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirref

holy flying **** that must've been an intense moment.

the macau gp is a race that I want to watch live someday but I'm not so sure I would want to compete in it due to the steel walls, at least with the IoM you have the occasional open field. Those courses are completely different beasts though.

sick picture, definitely worth the $125 though I'm surprised that shipping it over cost that much

I didn't ship it, it was on the plane with me. The $75 was just the cost to get it installed into the wood frame.

Macau you can push the limits a bit harder because it's only got like 13 corners so its quicker to learn and become predictable. At the same time the race is a mass start like any other race track so there's more rider vs rider battles going on vs at the TT it's mostly rider vs track.

Skullz · April 15th, 2014, 05:03 PM

Yes Yes Yes!!!!!

CycleCam303 · April 15th, 2014, 05:07 PM

I don't think I could go very fast on that course. I seem to be way more comfortable on race tracks where I can have better sight lines and memorize the track better.

greenaero · April 15th, 2014, 06:33 PM

Nope, my racing days are far behind me. I'd definitely love to watch the racing and ride the course( though riding the course kills more people than the racing).

alex.s · April 15th, 2014, 06:36 PM

does that say "R7"?

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 06:36 PM

Yes, yes it does say R7

alex.s · April 15th, 2014, 06:40 PM

ssshieeeet.

Quote:

Yamaha secretly developed a WSBK weapon for Nori Haga....the YZF-R7. The R7 was built with similar dimensions as Yamaha's YZR-500 GP bike. They built the racer first, then 500 road versions with lesser-quality OEM bits. Civilian R7 models were sold as race only, to team owners and licensed racers. Asking price was $32,000, and Yamaha did not offer a warranty. OEM bikes were heavily restricted, making only 106 hp. YEC offered modification kits that would bump output to 135 hp (Stage 1) or 160 hp (Stage 3).

Power aside, the R7 is known as one of the best handling bikes in the world....even by today's standards. Frame strength and geometry help the bike to hold a line similar to a GP racer.

Right off the bat, R7 cranks failed from a manufacturing flaw. Crank alone was $4500. There was no factory recall, no warranty, and Yamaha had to come out of pocket to replace cranks free of charge. In addition, racers complained that the need for YEC kits made racing the R7 far too expensive. Many R7 models sat in showrooms well past 2002, heavily discounted. The R7 was expensive to produce, and Yamaha lost considerable money on each one. Last nail in the coffin was Nori Haga's championship loss in 2000 because of a positive drug test for Ephedrine.

Because of Nori Haga's success on the bike, limited numbers, and overall beauty of the motorcycle, the R7 has developed a cult following in the motorcycle world. During the bike's life, there's been many different interpretations of what an R7 or R71 actually is.

1) Because the R7 cost so much, many R1 owners converted bikes to look like the R7.

2) Many R7 owners yanked fragile motors, and modified the R7 frame to accept an R1 motor.

3) Stateside, Graves Yamaha entered the Formula Extreme class with an R7 chassis and R1 motor. The AMA eventually banned this successful bike, stating that '50% of the frame had to be from the same bike as the motor'. Graves quickly mated an R1 and R7 frame together, calling the bike an "R71".

badass.

alex.s · April 15th, 2014, 06:46 PM

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 06:47 PM

that bike screams badass

alex.s · April 15th, 2014, 06:49 PM

that's a real bike.

Sirref · April 15th, 2014, 06:53 PM

aren't many like it. closest I'm likely to ever own is a cbr600rr or a 636

Bentley813 · April 15th, 2014, 07:20 PM

I would rock the TT like a snail. It would be a great pleasure ride.

Whiskey · April 16th, 2014, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csmith12

Go the weekend before the races, it's open to the public and a closed course. Personally, I feel it would be safer to ride the race instead. lol

Mad Sunday, the day before rave week they close the road in one direction & let anyone with a bike licence have a go...

Have to agree it's probably safer to run the race than do Mad Sunday, some real lunatics & crash test pilots have a go...

LittleRedNinjette · April 16th, 2014, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Race? Nope, not now nor ever will be that good.

Ride it at my own level with the course closed off just as it would be for the race? YES!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBlue1

Run the course at my own pace? Absolutely!!

^^This! (maybe add a option for this?

)

I would love to ride the course but hell no on racing. I fully admit i do not have the skills to anything like that.

Yet

capt_bugaloo · April 16th, 2014, 07:26 AM

I'm strictly a street rider - but I'd be happy to go there and watch a race.

ally99 · April 16th, 2014, 08:15 AM

I'd ride it, but I wouldn't race it.

Sirref · April 16th, 2014, 08:17 AM

just remembered, the 250/300s qualify for the supertwin class with the 650s right?

250rr · April 16th, 2014, 08:55 AM

After a year of focused training, getting some races under my belt, having a coach tell me, "Yeah, you PROBABLY won't kill yerself". Maybe.

LNasty · April 19th, 2014, 03:06 PM

If I had the chance I think I wouldn't go on anything bigger than a 250/300, just do to only having roughly 12,000 miles experience under my belt

View Poll Results: Would you race in the Isle of man on your 250/300?
YES, dear God, YESSSSS!	20	58.82%
HELL NO, it's suicide	4	11.76%
MAYBE, as soon as I get this sand out of my V-J	10	29.41%
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April 15th, 2014, 11:38 AM	#1
LNasty Daily Jap rider Name: Lance Location: La Porte Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r Posts: A lot.	Isle of Man, would you? How many of you, if given the chance would participate in the Isle of man on your 250/300? Remember, there is an average of 2 deaths per year at this race. Last futzed with by LNasty; April 22nd, 2014 at 05:56 PM.

April 15th, 2014, 11:41 AM	#2
ninjamunky85 Que Buenos Son!!! Name: Ryan Location: Grovetucky, OH Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): Aprilia Shiver 750, Husaberg FE 450, Ninja 300 (sold), xr100 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '14	No way I would compete in a race, take a ride around the track for a joy ride sure, but not race. If you watched TT3D they talk about it taking the average racer three years just to remember the track. I forget the number of turns but it's a lot. __________________________________________________ Don't do something because it's easy,.. Do it because it's not! If you aren't going forward, then you're falling behind. "Drive it like you stole it"!!!

April 15th, 2014, 11:44 AM	#3
subxero dirty boy Name: Joe Location: Johnstown, PA Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): I don't even know anymore?? Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '14	I'd race on the 250....with other 250's my bike barely breaks 100mph at top speed, I am not sure the prototype bikes even go that slow? __________________________________________________ I love the smell of burning pre-mix in the morning I don't think I'm a lot dumber than you thought that I think that I thought I was once.

April 15th, 2014, 11:46 AM	#4
csmith12 The Corner Whisperer Name: Chris (aka Reactor) Location: Northern KY Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250 (track), 1992 250, 2006 R6 (street/track), 2008 R6 (track) Posts: Too much. MOTY 2015, MOTM - Nov '12, Nov '13	__________________________________________________ Goal: Shake A Million Hands \| Look through the corners \| Track Day Prep \| Closest track? \| The Mid-Ohio School

April 15th, 2014, 11:46 AM	#5
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	YES, dear god, YESSSSS! One of the most important goals on my bucket list is to put down a 120+mph lap on the isle of man, while I wouldn't be able to do that on my 250 or my 300 running the course on either of my bikes would advance me towards that goal greatly in terms of learning the ridiculous mountain course for the supersport/superbike races It would cut down the amount of years needed to properly prepare for the races by at least a few years. As it is I have a lot of track time to put down before I'm confident enough in my skills to tackle the course at speed. racing the 250 there wouldn't be too bad with the top speed, just throw on some upgraded brakes in case you forget a hairpin and odds are you'll take the course just fine.

April 15th, 2014, 11:55 AM	#6
DaBlue1 Long Time Rider Name: Blue Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Run the course at my own pace? Absolutely!!

April 15th, 2014, 11:58 AM	#7
NevadaWolf Certified looney toon Name: Teri Location: 39°52'40.7"N 118°23'53.8"W (Northern NV) Join Date: Jun 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250, 102k+ miles -- 2014 CB500X, 42k+ miles Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 16 MOTM Jul '13, Jul '14	Race? Nope, not now nor ever will be that good. Ride it at my own level with the course closed off just as it would be for the race? YES! __________________________________________________ <-- Linky Hey Unregistered! The code [you] shows the username currently logged in. IBA # 56020 AMA # 521481 Fun Rides! ][ My Videos ][ My Gear Hold yourself to the same rules you expect others to follow.

April 15th, 2014, 12:02 PM	#9
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	^ I agree with csmith, the actual race would have less people on the course with a much higher average skill level and you would still get to ride your own pace technically. They'd just fly by you if you don't go fast

April 15th, 2014, 12:13 PM	#10
crazymadbastard I'm crazy,your excuse is? Name: Winston Location: Connecticut Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250 2007 ninja Posts: A lot.	Maybe after I blow past 1000 miles under my belt. 400 more to go!! __________________________________________________ My Cafe Racer Build My intro post

April 15th, 2014, 12:18 PM	#11
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	the day that someone wins a 200+ mile motorcycle race with only 1000 miles of experience under their belt is the day that giacomo agostini and valentino rossi cry that their achievements won't be remembered into the next few generations.

April 15th, 2014, 12:38 PM	#12
misfitsailor Ninjette Jockey Name: Tim Location: Stockton, Ca Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R, Harley Davidson Heritage Softail, 2 Honda Monkeys, Polini & GRC mini GP Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 3	The Isle of Man course is a deathtrap. I would not race it on any motorbike! __________________________________________________ For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?.

April 15th, 2014, 12:42 PM	#13
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	I've already raced the Macau Gp in china which is pretty close to that style of racing. I even had a misshap and lost front brakes and slammed into the wall sending me to the hospital and almost missing the race the next day. So yeah I'd totally race the TT but I wouldn't waste my time doing it on anything less then a 600 super sport. I'd race the nerbergring as well if they put one on there.

April 15th, 2014, 03:08 PM	#14
Dredgshadow ninjette.org member Name: Mike Location: Johnson City, TN Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 600RR, 2009 250r Posts: 130	If I thought I could get past the mental blocks, I probably would. I just couldn't get myself to push that hard even if I had that ability...which I don't.

April 15th, 2014, 03:11 PM	#15
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	@rojoracing53 scale of 1-10 1 being a snorefest and 10 being how was running the macau gp?

April 15th, 2014, 04:20 PM	#17
rojoracing53 Fast-Guy wannabe Name: Jason Location: Brentwood, Ca Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja250, 2011 RM-Z250, 2004 NSR50, Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '13	Me heading into casino corner. $50 for a hand painting in Thailand and $75 to get it framed back home

April 15th, 2014, 05:03 PM	#20
Skullz ninjette.org guru Name: Ray Location: 48162 Join Date: Aug 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250 Posts: 450	Yes Yes Yes!!!!!

April 15th, 2014, 05:07 PM	#21
CycleCam303 King Hamfist Name: Cameron Location: NorCal East Bay Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Crf 150R, 2011 Hypermotard 796 Posts: 940	I don't think I could go very fast on that course. I seem to be way more comfortable on race tracks where I can have better sight lines and memorize the track better.

April 15th, 2014, 06:33 PM	#22
greenaero Motorcycle Hypermiler Name: Vic Location: Livermore CA Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 1999 & 2005 Kawasaki Ninja 250R's Posts: A lot.	Nope, my racing days are far behind me. I'd definitely love to watch the racing and ride the course( though riding the course kills more people than the racing). __________________________________________________ 235 MPG Hypermotorcycling to a better tomorrow

April 15th, 2014, 06:36 PM	#23
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	does that say "R7"? __________________________________________________

April 15th, 2014, 06:46 PM	#26
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	__________________________________________________

April 15th, 2014, 06:47 PM	#27
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	that bike screams badass

April 15th, 2014, 06:49 PM	#28
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	that's a real bike. __________________________________________________

April 15th, 2014, 06:53 PM	#29
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	aren't many like it. closest I'm likely to ever own is a cbr600rr or a 636

April 15th, 2014, 07:20 PM	#30
Bentley813 ninjette.org member Name: Steve Location: Oswego, NY Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2013 White 300 Posts: 221	I would rock the TT like a snail. It would be a great pleasure ride.

April 16th, 2014, 07:26 AM	#33
capt_bugaloo motorcycle rider Name: Bruce Location: Victoria, BC Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver) Posts: A lot.	I'm strictly a street rider - but I'd be happy to go there and watch a race. __________________________________________________ '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver)

April 16th, 2014, 08:15 AM	#34
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	I'd ride it, but I wouldn't race it. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

April 16th, 2014, 08:17 AM	#35
Sirref Private Joker Name: Ben Location: Towson, MD Join Date: Nov 2012 Motorcycle(s): '99/'01 Ninja 250 "sketchy", '13 Ninja 300 "yoshi", '03 GSXR 600 "merlin" Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '14	just remembered, the 250/300s qualify for the supertwin class with the 650s right?

April 16th, 2014, 08:55 AM	#36
250rr ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Mark Location: Portland Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): Cheap Italian Suit. Otherwise known as Dew Kitty Posts: A lot.	After a year of focused training, getting some races under my belt, having a coach tell me, "Yeah, you PROBABLY won't kill yerself". Maybe.
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April 19th, 2014, 03:06 PM	#37
LNasty Daily Jap rider Name: Lance Location: La Porte Join Date: Dec 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Ninja 250r Posts: A lot.	If I had the chance I think I wouldn't go on anything bigger than a 250/300, just do to only having roughly 12,000 miles experience under my belt

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